QuoteJesus you dubs don't half love having a go at one another
discussion on the Season Ticket - BBC N.I. - about the possibility of an all- ireland league with Jim Roddy from Derry and Jim Royce of the IFA; Roddy all for, Royce predictably all against; best bit though was Roddy talking about the parlous state of clubs north and south ' we lost Omagh Town from the Irish League last year and we lost Shamrock Rovers from the Eircom League' Top Man
Jesus you dubs don't half love having a go at one another
DCFC
saw the interview alright - it was very good tv for footie fans. Interesting watching both sides of the argument - thought Roddy destroyed the IFA lad who could only keep stating "it will never happen" without actually given a real reason beyond UFEA will never allow it - I would guess (completely uneducated of cource) that UFEA would allow it.
Now being a drog I clearly didn't have a good opinion of Mr Roddy but in fairness he gave a ood arguement last night, well presented and very professional - well done.
Its good to see this topic being discussed o various forms including the papers and TV.
"we almost lost Shamrock Rovers"
Ireland: Discovered!
Thought it was great when the IFA guy was saying about Celtic and Rangers and that they'll never play in England, and Roddy counters with the fact that teams from Wales play in England and there is a football league in Wales.
UEFA will never allow it. This would set a precedent for other clubs across Europe to leave their leagues. Also the welsh clubs play in the English league which comes under the juristiction of English FA. This AI league wouldnt come under any single national FA juristiction so would reach problems in areas such as european places.
there are 2 reasons why Jim Boyce is terrified of an all ireland league
1) it would be the end of his cushy job and pretty much end the IFA
2) His precious Cliftonville wouldnt be included
Finn Harps Belfast Supporters
Why the eye roll? I would have thought being petitioned to be wound up by the Revenue, only to be saved by the fans, was fairly accurately described by the phrase "almost lost"?Originally Posted by manic da hoop
"we almost lost Shamrock Rovers"
No, no. Not a criticism of what Jim Roddy said, merely correcting the Bohs fan who misquoted him at the top of the thread by claimimg he said "we LOST Shamrock Rovers".
Ireland: Discovered!
did he say 'almost'? - I obviously heard what i wanted to hear .......
Correct. All Ireland League is light years away.
KOH
What would happen if one of the big northern clubs applied to join the eircom league?
they could easily make the argument derry are there so why shouldnt they, of course derry's original reason for being here was valid but it isnt quite the same now.
If Linfield, Glentoran or Portadown wanted to join the Eircom League the FAI should do all in its power to help them, it can only benefit the league compared to the likes of Dublin City Home Farm Fingal Everton.
Finn Harps Belfast Supporters
Disgraceful habit. You should give that up straight away.
Comments like this will not further on an AI league, Even though I have very little time for them they our still NI's assocition and NI arent goin anywhere. Also comments here suggest that clubs would be happy enough from the North to compete in a league solely run by the FAI. This is pie in the sky lads.
Spot on, unfortunately. Political unity is the only way we'll see a unified Irish league. Would love to see it myself obviously, but it's not going to happen.
Stabane_Harp - you answered your own question when noting the difference between Derry and the other clubs...
I reckon if it went to the European Court on a restraint of cross-border trade basis (the very reason the EU was set up), UEFA would be on a very sticky wicket.
But agreed that even that would take years.
Celtic and Rangers are still stuck in Scotland despite being far more powerful than eL/IL clubs...
I swear I'm not arguing with you for the sake of it but check out Delaney's comments in the Mirror this morning. It's coming and it's coming soon.
KOH
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It's not. Not without the league breaking away from UEFA and forfeiting European places. Don't believe everything you read. Especially from Delaney!
Dassa / Pineapple St / NY Hoop - you're completely and factually wrong on this.
Under EU Restraint of Trade and Competition Laws, a football club in one EU jurisdiction is perfectly entitled to conduct its business (i.e. play) in another footballing jurisdiction. The test case for this was Newport Co vs the FA of Wales in 1994 (Lord Blackburn was the presiding judge).
Therefore - if Linfield decided tomorrow that they wanted to join the Eircom League, the only thing that could stop them would be if the EL clubs themselves - using their normal procedures for accepting new teams - voted against them joining. All the IFA could do about it would be to deny Linfield any future nominations amongst their slots for European competitions.
Derry City required special FIFA permission to join the LOI in 1985. Beacuse that predated the Maastricht Treaty and the 1994 test case on restraint of trade in football that then followed. If Derry were looking to apply now, they would require no such permission.
The main reason why Celtic and Rangers haven't left the SPL to join the EPL yet is that the English clubs wouldn't vote to accept them. It is naive to assume that there isn't continual dialogue between Glasgow and England on this - and once the vote ior ready to go the right way the change will eventually be made. And what will be the clincher ? The value of the English Premiership TV Rights is declining. Rangers and Celtic joining the League would give the rights a massive boost in value. If clubs like Chealsea continue to domainate English football becasue of their finances, the smaller clubs will look to bring in the Old Firm on a deal that is favourable to them (at least in the short term) in order to redress that growing financial imbalance.
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