Quoteagreed - its a decent result.Originally Posted by Terry
Sounds like Cork were all over them for the second half hitting the woodwork three times. The 'experts' reckon they're well capable of taking them over there.
Upwards to the vanguard where the pressure is too high.
agreed - its a decent result.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
They need to win over there. Not gonna happen.
Tend to agree, a high-scoring draw at home in Europe is never a good result in terms of qualification (even 0-0 is better than 2-1.) 1-1 and maybe they could play for penos. They've beaten better sides away from home but this scenario is different for obvious reasons.
Wonder will Bert Kassies be up tonite working on the co -efficients, i cant wait!!!!!!!!! (is that sad?)
Lol I'm thrilled too!!
New co-efficient ranking just out!! http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/...crank2009.html
I can sleep soundly now lol...
clifotnvile been hammered at home is no surprise...only back training a week probably v copenhagen total differnt class, wonder what the pitch was like, seen it in march , mud bath...
as a drogs fan i think we'll get a goal away, we made them look good first half.
cork suffered from not being seeded, well done pats...
For next season, we are 27th, which is really good, ahead of Croatia and Poland unbelievably for the moment.
I think 2-2, is a decent result, but the mideset of Haka will cause confusion, Do they sit on it or try to go for it, I think Cork still have a good chance.
Tonight was poor and very disappointing.
They are a poor team and we are far better, but we defended like schoolboys. 2 attacks and 2 shocking goals from a defensive point of view.
We on the other hand could have had 5/6 if we put even half our chances away. Hit the bar twice etc etc.
I wasnt too confident going into this, and I wont be confident going over there, but we've given ourselves a chance at least. 2 away goals is a lot to overcome though.
Overall just disappointing.
You're a year ahead of yourself there - currently in 32nd spot with Latvia possibly in our sights.
Foot.ie's entire existence is predicated on the average idiot's inability to ignore other idiots
Haka were poor overall but then again they never really had to play since we gave them 2 soft goals.. We were all over them like a bad rash in once we went 2-0 down. Could have easily scored 4 or 5 bar the woodwork/goalie in the second half.
Considering our position 10 mins into the second half I can't complain too much. I'd be reasonably confident of us doing the job over there but if we defend like we did tonight we can forget it. Haka have a few handy/pacy players but not much else besides,just hard workers...and that goalie was the worst kicker of a ball I've ever seen(or else the crowd got to him big time)...and talk about dodge hair.It was Chris Waddle-esque
Life isn't all beer and football...some of us haven't touched a football in months
Just a few weeks ago I was beaten from pillar to post on this site for daring to suggest that Eircom League standards weren't up to much. I cited the evidence I'd seen on MNS, and using my life's experience (horribly misguided as it is) of watching and playing the game, and identifying good football from bad - I came to the above conclusion.
I ventured that the EL sides wouldn't do much in Europe either (the dialogue went as far as asking how far we are from an Irish side making the Champions League group stage) but again a torrent of abuse came flyin' back.
Well I stand corrected lads, the record so far makes great reading - Bohs out to a side from mighty Latvia, Drogheda up against it for the return leg to the European hot bed of Estonia and Cork as good as gone following a tussle with European 'giants' Haka.
Pats are in good shape, and fair play to them - but overall this 'know nothing' will be predicting another miserable year for a league which is more like a Reality TV show. It has no structure, no finances, no supporters and even less prospects for success. But don't dare mention that to anyone - you might just offend its die hard followers, who, if they
just stopped for a minute to think, would realise that they're the biggest obstacles of all.
Haka are a decent side with decent European pedigree. Talin have done pretty damn well the last few years and were unlucky not to put out red star last year. I for one don't suggest the league is the high flying league of the world but look at our position and the decent progress over the last few years by a lot of teams in Europe. It is going to be a long time before teams start having a decent go at the larger long time european teams in these rounds.
And to finish this off who gives a ****? The mighty bar stool population of this despiteful country are the ones who will stand up and shout out about poor progress in europe and how they lost to a shower from xyz land as they sup their pint in their Gerrard shirt.
People would want to get a serious idea about our place in the world at this point in time.
Last edited by RonnieB; 18/07/2008 at 8:07 AM.
Roddy Collins, the biggest <insert as appropiate> in Irish Football.
Btw, well done to Pats. V. good result today and should go through now
Few on this site are under any illusions of the standing and problems faced by our league. We're confronted by them daily, whilst it's merely occassional comic relief for you.
I didn't read your previous posts - but if they were written anything like this one, i'm not surprised you were harangued.
What exactly is the purpose of this post ? Are you here to say 'Look at me - I was right' ? In which case - even if it is rather premature - good for you. Now run along.
If you're here to do anything other than lecture us, then stick around. If not - then make like the Croats and 'split'...
Drogs won their game despite a pretty makeshift side and not being anywhere near the top of the table, and we (Cork) were by far the better team in our game - Good as gone?They got very fortunate with a couple of goals against the run of play and normality was restored in the second half. Any victory at all over there will do us to go through. Given that we have a fairly good record of winning or attain the draw we need away from home to progress (Malmo, Nijmegen, Ekranas, Djurgardens, Apollon, Valur) I'm pretty confident and looking forward to my trip.
I would imagine that the problem is 'know nothings' who think they have a clue what they're talking about, and yet are the joke of European football. Now run along and set the recorder ready for MNS, I know we haven't got Dunphy to spoon feed you an opinion but just assume the opposite of Roddy Collin's view and you'll be ok.you might just offend its die hard followers, who, if they
just stopped for a minute to think, would realise that they're the biggest obstacles of all.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
talking about what RonnieB and mark12345 are commenting on we have to ask the question what is success for LOI in europe?
is it competing with former USSR and Scandinavian countries etc (seeing 2-1 against estonian champions at home as a good result for example, mind you there is an away leg )
or is it with the aim of getting to european group stages.
I saw Bohs and Drogs play in europe and the teams they were playing were not up to much at all, but yet they didnt put them away i agree with what Hand said on MNS and these teams need to be put away. both drogs and bohs looked so much better, bohs are gone and i really hope drogs dont follow. LOI clubs must aim higher.
and talking about "barstoolers" if you want them to respect the league, estonian, latvian, lithuanian, kazach, albanian, certain scandanavian teams etc have to be brushed aside regularly and LOI teams simply dont do this.
Last edited by Dave77; 18/07/2008 at 12:22 AM.
You what?
I'd imagine the vast sums of Irish people pumping money into the British game, while sniggering at the failings of Irish teams, have a more harmful effect on the league than a couple of faceless people moaning on the web...
We are a nation of 4 million people, with a fairly unique sporting situation for western europe seeing football being the 3rd or even 4th game. Why exactly are we assuming that we can brush aside the nations similar to our own side? We have been beating them fairly regularly, we've been beating teams from the Scandinavian countries who are much larger and far longer established in professional football than ourselves, and we've been getting the odd but scarce result against 'higher class' teams from outside our "northern section" group, e.g. Nijmegen, Hadjuk Split, Apollon.
If all it required was barstoolers seeing us punch above our weight, we're already doing so. No, barstoolers require that we somehow compete with our supposed rival's league where the bottom placed team earns more than the team winning the champions league does. They require this, because they are weak, insecure sheep unable to see past the consensus of their group of mates or in some cases because they are just plain morons.
Your Chairperson,
Gavin
Membership Advisory Board
"Ex Bardus , Vicis"
Sligo Rovers could not beat this side so no bother trying lad !
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