Stephen Ireland

[third policeman]

So you are expecting the Irish players to do the very thing that we are all slagging Stephen Manchester for. Why is it ok for Manchester not to be have like a professional and move on and concentrate on playing football.[/quote]


If Ireland came back then of course he would be moving on and I am certain that he would display a professional attitude on the pitch (he always has when he has played). The point was directed at those who say that Ireland should never be allowed to wear the green jersey again, and those who argue that his return would disrupt team morale.

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[Brendan 82]

Motenegro?? I agree to a certain extent though. But I just think Ireland's too arrogant to be a benefit to the current Irish set up. If he came back and didn't get a run for the following two or three games, I've no doubt he'd quit again because he couldn't be bothered fighting for a place in the team cause he thinks he's above that.

Agreed, I could easily see him quitting again if things do not go the way he wants. Someone said above that they expect the Irish players to "act like professionals" and welcome him back into the setup. They may be professionals but they are also uneducated young men who might hold a grudge.

I think they probably made fun of his wig (Keane, Carsley, Hunt, etc. looks like there are a few messers in there anyway) and he flipped out like a lil beeyatch and is now too embarrassed to come back.

Either way, the best thing is to get to the World Cup and deny him a place in the squad. I am over him at this stage, he is a dork and I can see why the lads would not like him.

Just watch when he scores a goal or makes a great pass for City, his teammates BARELY congratulate him.

[NeilMcD]

Lads I think that Richard Dunne is a great indicator in this. I am sure Dunne would be pretty lenient with young players and he plays with Ireland at City. He also has had his tough times so he know what it is about. He more than anyone would have seen this at first hand and see what Stephen Manchester is like on a day to day basis.

Kilbane is another respected figure in Ireland circles and he is a hero to many fans for his courage and passion and dedication to the jersey. Now both of these have come out and bascially had a go at Ireland for not clearing up the rumours regarding bullying etc. They have both also questioned his passion for playing for his country and they have left in no doubt that they have very little sympathy for him.

I am willing to trust Richard Dunne and Kevin Kilbane on this issue.

[elroy]

Just watch when he scores a goal or makes a great pass for City, his teammates BARELY congratulate him.

Roy wasnt exactly loved in the united dressing room and god knows he's a difficult character. Althou im not sure SI has the same drive as him. Its bizarre that up to the granny gate affair, SI appeared to cause no trouble in the camp and seemed to be a decent international.

[tetsujin1979]

Just watch when he scores a goal or makes a great pass for City, his teammates BARELY congratulate him.

You sure about that? Because I'm pretty sure the players he's come through the youth team with (Richards, Johnson, Onuoha) all congratulate him a whole bunch, and Robinho celebrated with him for his pass at the weekend.

[youngirish]

I am willing to trust Richard Dunne and Kevin Kilbane on this issue.

I can't believe you would trust Dunne and Kilbane over a man who has lied about his grannies dying (twice), drives a pink landrover, claims he loves playing for his country yet has consistently avoided any opportunity to do so under the past three managers for over a year now, wears superman's underpants and had a hair transplant then subsequently shaved his head.

Surely your faith is misplaced.

[youngirish]

You sure about that? Because I'm pretty sure the players he's come through the youth team with (Richards, Johnson, Onuoha) all congratulate him a whole bunch, and Robinho celebrated with him for his pass at the weekend.

Robinho doesn't speak any English at present so he's yet to find out how much of a tit Ireland is.

[third policeman]

What mystifies me about this thread is the number of people who claim to be "over Stephen Ireland / Manchester" when they are quite clearly not. Also when exactly did Kilbane and Dunne "go on record" questioning Ireland's passion to play for Ireland. If they did (and I have never read anything to that effect) it would be an idiotically self-fulfilling allegation.

[Reality Bites]

I can't believe you would trust Dunne and Kilbane over a man who has lied about his grannies dying (twice), drives a pink landrover, claims he loves playing for his country yet has consistently avoided any opportunity to do so under the past three managers for over a year now, wears superman's underpants and had a hair transplant then subsequently shaved his head.

Surely your faith is misplaced.

Youngirish Neil McD is on your Side!!

[NeilMcD]

Ha ha, so now its Dunne and Kilbanes fault. Dunne was interviewed at the player of the year awards on this issue and Kilbane talked about it before the recent double header. You go and do the research and find the articles but they are out there. Dunnes was a live interview.

So you want Dunne and Kilbane to tip toe around this guy. THis is the very reason he should have to beg to come back. Nobody should be in the squad, getting special treatment, and he will come back on Traps terms not his own. I will finish with 1 questions.

Which is more important

to have a 100 percent united squad pulling together or to have

Stephen Manchester in the squad with his passing abilty.

[NeilMcD]

Youngirish Neil McD is on your Side!!

He knows that he was being ironic.

[tetsujin1979]

Robinho doesn't speak any English at present so he's yet to find out how much of a tit Ireland is.

Robinho speaks some English, but he's not fluent.
from an interview with Ireland on Man City's site: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/default.sps?pa...=9&toyear=2008

We can understand each other. Robinho does not speak fluent English, but I’ve had chats with him and it’s all about getting the right understanding between each other. You can see that it’s clicking out there with the movement and the passing out on the pitch.

[Brendan 82]

You sure about that? Because I'm pretty sure the players he's come through the youth team with (Richards, Johnson, Onuoha) all congratulate him a whole bunch, and Robinho celebrated with him for his pass at the weekend.

Pretty sure mate. I have seen some very muted responses from his teammates. Especially when he set-up Elano for the two a couple of weeks ago. I have seen it many other time too. Can't prove it, but I am being honest.

They don't ignore him but it is easy too see the difference between when Ireland scores compared to the rest. You don't need a doctorate in psychology to see the dynamic that is going on.

[newbie]

on the other hand did you see the ovation he got when being subbed the other day and the remarks Hughes has made about him? even saying he is Citys best player so far this season and the 2 of them laughing and joking when he was taken off?

im no fan of Irelands but try take off the tinted specs there mate. hes a smashing player and if he made himself available for any of the qualifiers up until the Bulgaria away then he should be welcomed like anyone else. if he makes himself available after them then i think he should be told "thanks,great to have you onboard but we will use you after these as the lads have put in alot of work" (providing we are still in with a shout )

[Reality Bites]

Pretty sure mate. I have seen some very muted responses from his teammates. Especially when he set-up Elano for the two a couple of weeks ago. I have seen it many other time too. Can't prove it, but I am being honest.

They don't ignore him but it is easy too see the difference between when Ireland scores compared to the rest. You don't need a doctorate in psychology to see the dynamic that is going on.

Very Convincing I am Sold!

[third policeman]

[quote=NeilMcD;1026318]Ha ha, so now its Dunne and Kilbanes fault. Dunne was interviewed at the player of the year awards on this issue and Kilbane talked about it before the recent double header. You go and do the research and find the articles but they are out there. Dunnes was a live interview.

So you want Dunne and Kilbane to tip toe around this guy. THis is the very reason he should have to beg to come back. Nobody should be in the squad, getting special treatment, and he will come back on Traps terms not his own. I will finish with 1 questions.

Which is more important

to have a 100 percent united squad pulling together or to have


No I am not suggesting that anybody tiptoes round Stephen Ireland. I am questioning two assertions that have been propounded with varying degrees of vitriol and moral outrage by numerous contributors to this thread.

1) I do not think that Stephen Ireland should be condemned to permanent international exile or only allowed to play for Ireland when he has made appropriate public penance.

2) I do not believe that his presence in an Irish squad would disturb the sensibilities of his professional colleagues or damage team morale.

and I suppose 3) I think the onus to make the first move actually should rest with the numerous highly paid and and highly experienced members of the international managment team, rather than an obviously immature (though highly talented) 21 year old with more than his share of issues.

[Brendan 82]

Very Convincing I am Sold!

Ah I'm wrong so. He is a totally awesome guy and his teammates love him

[corkboy360]

I voted yes as he is a huge loss.Has he had any more hair transplants lately

[NeilMcD]

[QUOTE=third policeman;1026363]

Ha ha, so now its Dunne and Kilbanes fault. Dunne was interviewed at the player of the year awards on this issue and Kilbane talked about it before the recent double header. You go and do the research and find the articles but they are out there. Dunnes was a live interview.

So you want Dunne and Kilbane to tip toe around this guy. THis is the very reason he should have to beg to come back. Nobody should be in the squad, getting special treatment, and he will come back on Traps terms not his own. I will finish with 1 questions.

Which is more important

to have a 100 percent united squad pulling together or to have


No I am not suggesting that anybody tiptoes round Stephen Ireland. I am questioning two assertions that have been propounded with varying degrees of vitriol and moral outrage by numerous contributors to this thread.

1) I do not think that Stephen Ireland should be condemned to permanent international exile or only allowed to play for Ireland when he has made appropriate public penance.

2) I do not believe that his presence in an Irish squad would disturb the sensibilities of his professional colleagues or damage team morale.

and I suppose 3) I think the onus to make the first move actually should rest with the numerous highly paid and and highly experienced members of the international managment team, rather than an obviously immature (though highly talented) 21 year old with more than his share of issues.

Do you not think that this has been done already or have you not read the papers.

[TheBoss]

because in an democracy people are allowed to make their own choices

how do you know he doesn't love his country?

Well, his actions prove that he does not care about the National Team.