QuoteHe asked for a transfer when he was dropped?Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Gary Breen was probably our best performer at WC 2002 so to compare him with McShane is laughable.
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He asked for a transfer when he was dropped?
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What? I think you will find that Steve Stauntons' performances were such that Gary Breen could only but have played well. A bit like the Mc Grath/Babb partnership in 1994.
Robbie Keane was outstanding in every game in 2002 as was Damien Duff (albeit perhaps a bit slow to get out of the traps against the Cameroon)
Staunton was exceptional in 2002 WC alrite....
Good. Tell your cab driver they can have the useless oaf back for free! In fact, we'll give them £2.5m to take him. The reason he is struggling is because he is a Championship player at the very best!
Wait and see how he does beside Dunne again in the friendlies. I'm sure Trap was impressed overall with what he saw of McShane in the previous Ireland games. He mentioned McShane once or twice along with McGeady as promising young players in the press conference. McGeady has been very poor for Ireland but it's obviously clear to Trap how talented he is. It's also clear how good McShane can be to those that can remember his excellent performances. Trap just has to work out what makes him play well and I'm sure Richard Dunne will play a huge part.
I think that's our best partnership. McShane does really well against the big guys. Dunne would eat up your Kenny Miller's or Craig Bellamy's that the likes of Vidic, Cannavaro, Puyol, etc, would have really struggled against in the past. They compliment each other well.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 07/05/2008 at 10:30 AM.
Yeah like his motm performances against Newcastle, Everton & Wigan!! And how, when he was dropped from the Sunderland line up in January, the team suddenly got good results, stopped leaking goals and stayed up with two games to spare! It's plain to see that McGeady has talent to be a top player but McShane is one of the worst defenders I've ever seen play for Sunderland! And I've seen some bad defenders play for us down thru the years.
Wigan? Oh yeah, Evans was much better that day. Evans was the guy at fault for McShane's OG. They were both as bad as each other that day. Newcastle - I'll ignore any of his performances at right back because he's not a right back. Everton - he was destroyed obviously.
Anyway, let's see if he puts in poor performance beside Dunne. Most young centre half need an experience, intelligent guy beside them. I keep going back to Bobo Balde but he was absolutely top class beside Mjallby, abysmal beside Varga. Unlike Balde, McShane will gain plenty of tactical knowledge and won't need to be guided for the rest of his career.
After the Everton game:And how, when he was dropped from the Sunderland line up in January, the team suddenly got good results, stopped leaking goals and stayed up with two games to spare!
Sunderland 1-0 Derby
Chelsea 2-0 Sunderland
Sunderland 1-1 Aston Villa
Reading 2-1 Sunderland
Sunderland 0-4 Man Utd
Sunderland 3-1 Bolton
Blackburn 1-0 Sunderland
The Man Utd game aside that's not bad at all. I remember Phil Thompson singing his praises against Chelsea saying he was winning every header and tackle. Going on reports, those last 2 games were motm performances.
If I'm not mistaking, that Everton game was the start of McShane's run at centre half. Nosworthy and Higginbotham were the 2 centre halves up until then but Nosworthy got injured and McShane-Higginbotham was the partnership for all the above games. The 2 full backs against Everton were Harte and Whitehead. What a terrible defence for a young guy to be thrown into. I don't rate Higginbotham at all. McShane will be so much better than him at that age.
So the above games, plus the Everton game, was McShane's period as a centre half for Sunderland, partnering a very poor organiser imo. The Wigan game - Nosworthy's first game back, Evans' debut. A totally new defence and everybody was poor. McShane was dropped because Evans was going to get his chance and the McShane-Evans partnership had failed in the previous match.
Again, I'm just happy that Trap saw how good McShane can be and that's fresh in his memory.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 07/05/2008 at 11:11 AM.
Is that you Paul? Lets look at the results without McShane.
H 2-0 Portsmouth
A 2-0 Spurs
H 2-0 Birmingham
A 3-0 Liverpool
H 2-0 Wigan
A 1-0 Portsmouth
A 0-0 Derby
H 0-1 Everton
H 0-1 Chelsea
A 0-1 Villa
H 2-1 West Ham
A 1-3 Fulham
H 1-2 Man City
6wins 6 defeats 1 draw. 5 clean sheets 12 goals against pts 19.
The games with McShane in the squad after the Everton game read; (Not including Wigan in the FA Cup)
2 wins 4 defeats 1 draw 1 clean sheet 11 goals against pts 7.
The facts speak for themselves! As for the stupid statement that McShane is better than Evans! What are you smoking? What you basing that on? The fact that Evans can't get in ahead of Ferdinard Vidic & Brown? Evans is a star in the making. Ask any football fan, they'd pick Evans over McShane.
Last edited by SunderlandBohs; 07/05/2008 at 12:29 PM.
In fairness he was saying for that particular game, Evans(as you point out the darling boy of the Sunderland crowd) was just as bad as MacShane.
But the facts prove that McShane isn't up to Premiership football. If he's not up to that he ins't up to international football. Remember he was poor last time out against Cyprus & Wales.
I never said that. I'm bewildered how you could make that mistake.
We'll never know that until he plays beside a proper partner. For all we know Michah Richards might have conceded 7 against Everton alongside rubbish like Higginbotham.But the facts prove that McShane isn't up to Premiership football.
Last edited by eirebhoy; 07/05/2008 at 1:14 PM.
What was said about Noz in his early days, remind me?
It's very sweeping statement to say the team suddenly got good because McShane was dropped... So it was nothing to do with the aditions to the squad in Jan, is that what your saying??
McShane is a rubbish full back is all I'll conceed in your statement. That aside you're talkin out of yer a**e. How you can write off a 21 year old given some of the performances he's had for Sunderland and Ireland is beyond me. You may argue I'm ignoring the blips, but you are clearly ignoring his start to the season and some of his Ireland performances. He'll come good along side the right man.
Yes the season changed with the with addition in January. Evans & Bardsley came in & McShane & Higginbotham got dropped. He had one good game against Spurs at the start of the season. That's it! He bottled it in the biggest game of the season against Newcastle. As for Norsworthy & Collins. They did get some stick but didn't look anything as bad as McShane. I was always a big fan of Nuggys & knew if giving the chance he'd make it. I admit that I wasn't a fan of Collins. But he did show glimspes of been a good player for us in his first season with us under McCarthy. Maybe Danny can be an example to McShane. But I doubt it. If McShane wasn't Irish everyone on here would be talking about how bad he is!
i dont think its giving anyone any perverse pleasure to say McShane is ****e lads. We would all love if he was class, we would all love if he was Richard Dunne or even Kenny C, but he is not. Saying a guy is a **** footballer is not a personal attack on his person.....its just saying he is a **** footballer. The one thing he has in his favour tho, is time, not too many years ago Richie Dunne was the "most accident prone donkey" in England and look at him now. Its not all over for PM yet, but the way people were talking about him after the Czech game, well......there is a reason Trappa wants Andy O'Brien back.....
He had more than just one good game at the start of the season, acknowledged by more than just green tinted irish fans. Evans and Bardsley came in, yes, but what about the removal of Dwight Yorke from his anchor role, where he had all the mobility of the Tin Man??? Too many variable to simply say mcshane's omision was the reason.... He'll come good.
And if you were a big fan of Noz at the start you were in the minority cos he was poison..
Not according to the ex-pro's watching the matches for the Premier league FF. Chosen in the top 3 players on the pitch in matches against Spurs, Birmingham, Bolton and Blackburn. All 4 games he played centre half. He's probably been decent more often than not in his games at centre half this season.
To me, the problem with McShane is that he can be a world beater in one game and absolute shyte in the next. Also known as "inconsistant".
"Jacques Santini...will be greeted in every dugout of the country by "one-nil, one-nil" - Clive Tyldsley, 89th minute of France-England June 13, 2004.
"Ooooohhhh Nooooooo" Bobby Robson 91st minute.
My problem is
Higgin bottom or Higgin botham ?
To be fair to you Geysir, distinguishing an arse from an English cricketer can be a very difficult task!
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