Keane's latest rant - direct at any Irish players?

**tetsujin1979** · 20/08/2007, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

I believe so too..

But I think (hope) Keane is thinking longer term. The fad at the moment amongst the 'in' managers is to give young strikers experience in different attacking positions to make them a more well rounded player before finally nailing down the front spot. But Sunderland don't have the playing resources to 'carry' him in his auxiliary positions.

didn't Moyes play Rooney in a few positions in midfield to do just this?

**Billsthoughts** · 20/08/2007, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by SunderlandBohs

Stokes is the other. His atitude is terrible & hasn't lived up to the hype. Plus the fans have turned on him & Keane wasn't impressed with him last weekend either.

shock horror the sunderland fans turn on their own pl;ayers. they have to be the worst fans in england.how many players have they done this to now?

**Billsthoughts** · 20/08/2007, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by geysir

It's simple

If a player improves we praise Keane

If a player does not improve we blame the player.

have to say there is a little truth in this even if it is just typical of the anti keane tripe spouted by the little ireland forum clique.
its interesting that keanes post match comments seemed to talk about the players on his team as if they are nothing to do with him. he seems well able to play the media.

**dr_peepee** · 20/08/2007, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

didn't Moyes play Rooney in a few positions in midfield to do just this?

He did surely. Wenger does it most. O'Neill done it with Agbonlahur. It was also mentioned as well in FourFourTwo over the last couple of months. I can see the logic in it if that is the case with Stokes at Sunderland, but you have to choose battles. Sunderland simply haven't got the quality in the other 9 outfield positions to carry Stokes as a square peg. And to be honest he's been more than a square peg when played out of position. He's been brutal.

I think he could play up front alongside Chopra in a good footballing side.

It's lazy speculation but sunderland could really do with Andy Reid.

**geysir** · 20/08/2007, 11:56 PM

That should be easy for Roy to digest, he is not the right manager for a talented player like Stokes.

**dr_peepee** · 21/08/2007, 12:27 AM

Republic of Ireland under-21 coach Don Givens was fuming last night after Sunderland striker Anthony Stokes failed to report for duty....

**shakermaker1982** · 21/08/2007, 7:40 AM

4 points from 3 games and some of you are already pressing the panic button on Keane's reign at Sunderland..... let us wait till the end of the season before we can see whether Keane can cut it at the top level.

**ofjames** · 21/08/2007, 9:09 AM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

4 points from 3 games and some of you are already pressing the panic button on Keane's reign at Sunderland..... let us wait till the end of the season before we can see whether Keane can cut it at the top level.

Reason all these eejits are pressing the panic button is that around 50% of the posters on this forum would like nothing better but for keane to fail. in fact id say many go to bed praying for it.

But Roy'll be alrite. Ive no doubt about that. These foretellers of doom are the same guys that were laying in around christmas last year when sunderland lost three games on the bounce and were down mid-table. I take comfort in the fact that come may, after sunderland have stayed up with comfort...these guys will still be clinging on to the pathetic hope that some day roy might fail. not going to happen

**John83** · 21/08/2007, 9:26 AM

Originally Posted by dr_peepee

Republic of Ireland under-21 coach Don Givens was fuming last night after Sunderland striker Anthony Stokes failed to report for duty....

The news articles on it said that Givens rang him and he said he was injured, that Keane had promised to sort it out.

**finnpark** · 21/08/2007, 9:31 AM

Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

Stokes, Anderson and Collins (if they had any sense) would have hid in the toilets on the coach back home!!!

What about that Nosworthy guy. God he was **** against the Irish teams.

**geysir** · 21/08/2007, 9:41 AM

Originally Posted by ofjames

Reason all these eejits are pressing the panic button is that around 50% of the posters on this forum would like nothing better but for keane to fail. in fact id say many go to bed praying for it.

But Roy'll be alrite. Ive no doubt about that. These foretellers of doom are the same guys that were laying in around christmas last year when sunderland lost three games on the bounce and were down mid-table. I take comfort in the fact that come may, after sunderland have stayed up with comfort...these guys will still be clinging on to the pathetic hope that some day roy might fail. not going to happen

My opinion is that he has a team easily good enough for 40 points.
But he has a the determination for 80.
There is a gap between the quality of the players he has signed and the amount of success he demands or expects.
There is going to be friction, ongoing changes and plenty of rants.The soap opera that has been the usual suspects of EPL managers bickering like Hyenas has changed.
So far, Roy the rookie manager,has not dissapointed.

**bellavistaman** · 21/08/2007, 9:52 AM

Originally Posted by John83

The news articles on it said that Givens rang him and he said he was injured, that Keane had promised to sort it out.

He said the club, not Roy. Roy is hardly going to be ringing all internationals, come on. There all people employed for that stuff.

**John83** · 21/08/2007, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

He said the club, not Roy. Roy is hardly going to be ringing all internationals, come on. There all people employed for that stuff.

'I told Anthony that I'd heard nothing and he said: "Well, I picked up a knock on Saturday and the boss told me twice that he'd sort it".

**bellavistaman** · 21/08/2007, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by John83

'I told Anthony that I'd heard nothing and he said: "Well, I picked up a knock on Saturday and the boss told me twice that he'd sort it".

ya but surely not as in Roy, going home ringing 118 118

. and ringing Don givens like.

**Paddy Garcia** · 21/08/2007, 10:54 AM

Givens would do well to try to build a relationship with Keane. Going to the press might make him feel better in the short term but he is the one likely to suffer long-term.

**NeilMcD** · 21/08/2007, 11:30 AM

Roy Keane should build a relationship with Don Givens too. Should we all bow down to Roy Keane now.

**John83** · 21/08/2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

ya but surely not as in Roy, going home ringing 118 118

. and ringing Don givens like.

Yeah maybe not, but that's not the issue here - if Keane promised to "sort it out", you'd at least expect a minion to be instructed to phone Givens.

**shakermaker1982** · 21/08/2007, 11:38 AM

until you know all the facts I'd have thought Givens was better off keeping quiet about the matter....

**theworm2345** · 21/08/2007, 12:08 PM

I'll say it again
Givens is a liar (we've seen it before), don't believe a word he says

**SunderlandBohs** · 21/08/2007, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

shock horror the sunderland fans turn on their own pl;ayers. they have to be the worst fans in england.how many players have they done this to now?

We only turn on players who don't give 100% for the club. Stokes is one of them. That was proven yesterday when The Clown pulled out of the U21 squad. People ,including Keane, got all excited when he scored a couple of goals up in Scotland for Falkirk. A club that would finish mid-table here in Ireland.

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