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    GreenScene have written up a 'The James McCarthy No-Show for Idiots': http://greenscene.me/2011/05/james-m...how-the-facts/

    I'm even going to have a read myself.

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    Another piece from Carl O'Malley in the Irish Times: http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/dead...elping-anyone/

    Admittedly, [the NI post-match] press conference was hugely entertaining but it was confusing too. At one point, Trapattoni suggested they had not seen the scan sent by Wigan for McCarthy, but he was corrected and informed an FAI doctor had. Now, it could be that Trap was saying he had not seen it, which is fine, but at some point the FAI press team should step in and make sure there is no doubt in people’s minds that a scan was received and dismissed, as was asserted in the statement.

    The situation arose again when Trap suggested Wilson was missing. After the conference one journalist checked to make sure this wasn’t the official line. It wasn’t, Stoke had been in contact claiming some sort of injury to the defender/midfielder and striker Jon Walters.

    Trapattoni was fairly animated throughout the press conference, even more so than usual. Though he didn’t specifically say it was over for McCarthy, he did say this.

    “They should come, be checked and then they can go back. This is for you and for the Irish people. This shouldn’t happen anywhere in the world. It’s impossible for me to understand this. This is the first time in all of my years I have seen a situation like this.”

    He added: “John O’Shea, Shay Given, Robbie Keane and Richard Dunne who said ‘Mister I’m sorry, I can’t play.’ These are the players of Ireland. The other players are new. We discovered these. Where were they one or two years ago? Where?”

    That’s fairly incendiary stuff. First of all, he suggests they have no respect for the country, the people and journalists (well we knew that last one), but he then suggests they were nothing without him. There really is only one conclusion to be drawn from this – that Trap has seen the last of the likes of McCarthy and Anthony Stokes, at least, and maybe Wilson. I haven’t mentioned Stokes until now because he barely warrants the time or space, his excuse of “tiredness” for not turning up pathetic.

    This brings us on to Tardelli. The assistant manager claimed yesterday that Trapattoni “spoke about the behaviour of the players. He never doubted whether they were injured.”

    Now, this is a bizarre u-turn from a little over 12 hours beforehand. Granted, Trapattoni seemed to skirt around the FAI’s doubts over injury reports, preferring to focus on desire and respect, but he gave his blessing to the email circulated in the first half and Tardelli subsequently contradicted the association’s stance.

    “Why not?”

    That was his response when asked would the players in question ever play for Ireland again. Well, here’s why not. The manager questioned their desire, honesty and respect for the country and its people. Even if the manager has toned down the rhetoric and offers another chance to them in August, say, will they want to return?

    Interestingly, Trapattoni was asked during that post-match press conference whether some of the younger players had lost respect for him. A perfectly legitimate question considering the Italian suggested they had lost respect for the rest of us.

    There was an audible ‘harrumph’ from a few rows back. It turned out to be Tardelli. Clearly the assistant manager thought the suggestion ridiculous. Yet yesterday, he said: “The players must show some respect, not just for Giovanni, but for the Irish people, the journalists, Mary O’Brien (of the association’s international department who liaises with players).” That is tacit acknowledgement they had not respected their manager.

    Irish Times Soccer Correspondent Emmet Malone quite rightly calls for the appointment of some sort of respected former international to mediate between players and manager, but there is also an urgent need for some sort of coherent and consistent message to come from those in and around the management team. Often it seems quite clear that not everyone is on the same page.

    This isn’t to excuse the behaviour of some of the younger players, who could do with some sort of PR team themselves, but it would be a lot easier to be more forthright in condemnation if one had full faith in the message coming from Trapattoni and his team.

    At the moment, that is not the case.
    Clearly, a lot of confusion for which the FAI must take a certain amount of responsibility. O'Malley suggests Trap has seen the last of McCarthy and Stokes, and maybe Wilson, due to remarks Trap made about them he considered "incendiary"; somewhat unfair on Trap, I feel, considering it does appear there's been a breach of respect here somewhere.

    Not necessarily attacking Trapattoni's authority, but the intermediary idea aired by Malone seems a positive one. Maybe it would also be worth also investing in a press spokesman just to confirm the meaning behind Trap's often-ambiguous musings and spell out the official line on matters. At least it would pre-empt the need for press releases to clarify initial confusion, which can often have the effect of further muddying the waters when there's so much conflicting information flying around what is already a saturated environment. Trap's job is to manage the team, after all, not to act as an FAI press liaison.

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    How injured do you have to be to get out of travelling to Dublin to report to the doctor? I'm not trying to defend the players in question but if a player had a genuine injury is it necessary for a player to hop on a plane, report straight to the FAI doctor, get checked and then go home again?

    Glad his ankle injury didn't impede his post game celebrations though! If there is a footage of him dancing on tables on youtube then his Irish career is over!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker1982 View Post
    How injured do you have to be to get out of travelling to Dublin to report to the doctor? I'm not trying to defend the players in question but if a player had a genuine injury is it necessary for a player to hop on a plane, report straight to the FAI doctor, get checked and then go home again?
    UEFA regulations don't oblige players to travel if they're playing and have been assessed in another territory. Whether or not the FAI have their own regulations on matters such as this, I'm not so sure, but it does appear they at least expected the players to travel to Dublin for examination.

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    Sorry, I should have said FIFA regulations.

    The relevant bit is in part 4 of annexe 1 on page 34 of the 'Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players' here: http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affe...sfer2010_e.pdf

    4. Injured players
    A player who due to injury or illness is unable to comply with a call-up from the association that he is eligible to represent on the basis of his nationality shall, if the association so requires, agree to undergo a medical examination by a doctor of that association’s choice. If the player so wishes, such medical examination shall take place on the territory of the association at which he is registered.

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    Look lads we all want the same thing a winning performance with our best players all in the squad with all the players and management going out with a positive attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker1982 View Post
    How injured do you have to be to get out of travelling to Dublin to report to the doctor? I'm not trying to defend the players in question but if a player had a genuine injury is it necessary for a player to hop on a plane, report straight to the FAI doctor, get checked and then go home again?
    If Keith O'Neill had sent in a sick note, the FAI would have had to send an air ambulance over for him, if they wanted to see him for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakermaker1982 View Post
    How injured do you have to be to get out of travelling to Dublin to report to the doctor? I'm not trying to defend the players in question but if a player had a genuine injury is it necessary for a player to hop on a plane, report straight to the FAI doctor, get checked and then go home again?

    Glad his ankle injury didn't impede his post game celebrations though! If there is a footage of him dancing on tables on youtube then his Irish career is over!!!
    There is pictures of him out celebrating. That much has been seen over on ybig. And there does seem to be a few videos of the table dancing, but nothing seen yet.
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    Heavily liked with Liverpool today. Arsenal also supposed to have joined the chase.

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    As long as Martinez doesn't follow him.
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    The Liverpool rumour seems to be gathering the most momentum. McCarthy's Gerrard-ish qualities won't have gone unnoticed I s'pose.

    Anywhere but Chelsea.

    102 times capped Kenny Dalglish would hardly resent James' international involvement either.

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    Arsenal aren't exactly supportive of international football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullivinho View Post
    102 times capped Kenny Dalglish would hardly resent James' international involvement either.
    Might resent the fact that it's with us instead of the Scots though! Na, I think Dalglish would be great for him to be honest.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Arsenal aren't exactly supportive of international football.
    Couldn't see him choosing Arsenal over Liverpool anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Arsenal aren't exactly supportive of international football.
    Neither is James McCarthy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jinxy View Post
    Neither is James McCarthy!
    Touché

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuttgart88 View Post
    Arsenal aren't exactly supportive of international football.
    ..whereas it seems, when there are south american players involved, that roberto martinez is positively GUNG-HO to let his players leave for international duty...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...n-copa-america

    douchebag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ken foree View Post
    ..whereas it seems, when there are south american players involved, that roberto martinez is positively GUNG-HO to let his players leave for international duty...

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...n-copa-america

    douchebag.
    The notable quotation from that is "South American players love playing for their countries"

    Is there a veiled reference there, I wonder!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by greendeiseboy View Post
    The notable quotation from that is "South American players love playing for their countries"

    Is there a veiled reference there, I wonder!!
    Its funny that Trinidad and Tobago is mere miles off the Venezuelan coast and he wouldn't let Jason Scotland play for them and then this comes out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theworm2345 View Post
    Its funny that Trinidad and Tobago is mere miles off the Venezuelan coast and he wouldn't let Jason Scotland play for them and then this comes out.
    They dont speak Spanish in Trinidad and Tobago.

    Jesus I've cracked it - this is what McCarthy should have asked Martinez :-

    "Queiro jugar al futbol internacional para mi pais."
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    Who honestly believes McCarthy is injured? Certainly not injured enough to cry off for a month. Yes I too have a dislike for Martinez and Whelan FC but McCarthy himself has cried off so many times that Trapatooni had to call him out publicly. I'd love to know the views of Hunt, Long, Whelan, St Ledger, Lawerence and others on this issue. I bet they are delighted their manager is calling out the turn up when I want merchants. FFS we have Stokes saying he is too tired (he left out the unencumbered by talent bit). And I certainly don't want some PR ex footballers telling me everything is smelling of roses. For me Trap and Tardelli have had a great week. Let Trap have his say.

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