UEFA Coefficient

[Dodge]

Fairly big changes

[holidaysong]

Fairly big changes

I don't like the fact that you now gain points depending on which round you qualify for and not on your individual results.. That can't be good for LOI clubs.

Also, there seems to be a paradox in that - there is now a lower percentage given to the national coefficient meaning club points are now going to be more important. But, there will be club points now awarded in the qualifying rounds making them less importnant..

Despite that I'm looking forward to the new system - especially the CL 'national champions' and the runners-ups from the better countries being kept apart.

Hopefully UEFA bring out a statement soon with it all clearly explained.

[Dodge]

Also, there seems to be a paradox in that - there is now a lower percentage given to the national coefficient meaning club points are now going to be more important. But, there will be club points now awarded in the qualifying rounds making them less importnant..

More important if you don't have them though. I mean if we lose to Hertha and qualify for the UEFA next year with say Sligo (if they finished 4th and qualify), in the current system we'd both be ranked the same but in the new system Pats would achieve points for getting by Elfsborg and Olimps so would be seeded higher. Seems fair enough.

I wonder will this be retrograded, so we may have to work out totally different co-efficients for countries and clubs

[pete]

All those years of trying to understand the system lost with one stroke of the pen by Platini

[mattl]

As a co-efficient lover changes are always interesting, especially when they benefit the LOI!

But even I'm still baffled by some of the changes - need to see the full list of changes and rules before we can work anything out. Lot of unanswered questions still.

Key thing is with our Champion - great chance of making the Europa League Group Stages.

One of the questions I thought of in relation to the Eircom League is what if our Champions also won the FAI Cup? Who is the team that gets to go to second round as our FAI cup rep? Because they're getting rid of sending the runners-up from now on (I'd say Scotland are thrilled), which is a great idea imo. Sorry to likes of Bray and Sligo etc. but we need the points and have to send our strongest teams!

[Schumi]

what if our Champions also won the FAI Cup? Who is the team that gets to go to second round as our FAI cup rep?

The 2nd place team in the league I'd assume, It'd be a bit odd to reward a lower placed team instead.

Does anyone have a list of Irish teams who qualified for the UEFA Cup by losing the cup final?

[HarpoJoyce]

As a co-efficient lover changes are always interesting, especially when they benefit the LOI!

But even I'm still baffled by some of the changes - need to see the full list of changes and rules before we can work anything out. Lot of unanswered questions still.

Key thing is with our Champion - great chance of making the Europa League Group Stages.

One of the questions I thought of in relation to the Eircom League is what if our Champions also won the FAI Cup? Who is the team that gets to go to second round as our FAI cup rep? Because they're getting rid of sending the runners-up from now on (I'd say Scotland are thrilled), which is a great idea imo. Sorry to likes of Bray and Sligo etc. but we need the points and have to send our strongest teams!

Mattl, I'm glad your appetite for the Co-Efficient is still strong. Is the removal of beaten finalist confirmed, as UEFA were making a point about the CW (Cup winner rep. ) and where they fit into the new established qualifying rounds.

The 2nd place team in the league I'd assume, It'd be a bit odd to reward a lower placed team instead.
Does anyone have a list of Irish teams who qualified for the UEFA Cup by losing the cup final?

As you know Shamrock Rovers played in the European Cup after losing in the FAI Cup Final Replay in 1984. But that was in the day when the European Cup was considered a better competition than the Cup-Winners-Cup by UEFA.

Does your question need one more qualification, the losing finalists didn't end up in the league runners-up spot either?

[TheBoss]

Despite that I'm looking forward to the new system - especially the CL 'national champions' and the runners-ups from the better countries being kept apart.

Hopefully UEFA bring out a statement soon with it all clearly explained.

Its not that hard to understand, They will be 2 separate qualifications, ones for nations between Rank 1-15 and another for nations ranked 16-53. There is 2 rounds for 1-15 and 4 rounds for 16-53, 5 Teams will qualify from 1-15 and 5 Teams will qualify from 16-53.

[holidaysong]

Its not that hard to understand, They will be 2 separate qualifications, ones for nations between Rank 1-15 and another for nations ranked 16-53. There is 2 rounds for 1-15 and 4 rounds for 16-53, 5 Teams will qualify from 1-15 and 5 Teams will qualify from 16-53.

Obviously I understand that.. What I'd like them to clarify is the new workings out of the co-efficients and how it will work out in the group stages - For example, will draws and wins in the group stages yield points or do you have to get out of the group to get any?

[holidaysong]

I wonder will this be retrograded, so we may have to work out totally different co-efficients for countries and clubs

When they changed from 50% of national coefficient to 33% in 2004 changes were made retrospectively. However, it wasn't that radical a change.

[Dodge]

Yeah, I was talking more about the points for rounds rather than individual results (as well as the bonuses etc etc)

[gspain]

I think the points for the rounds reached is actually fairer.

If you do better and then get your clubs exempt from a round you actually lose the chance to gain coefficient points.

It also eliminates the danger of points being gained from a dead match. FH recently drew at Villa Park having lost the home leg 4-1. Without seeing the game I think it is still fair to assume that Villa weren't trying as hard as they would have been had they won 1-0 away.

[bigmac]

The change to earning coefficients based on the tie result rather than individual games is good, and the bonus points should help to stop the up and down yoyo efffect that we have been worried about should the league continue its rise. It will be interesting to see how the changes are absorbed into the current system, but I suspect that they have tweaked the numbers so that similar campaigns will earn similar points.

[bigmac]

We've had this before, and didn't we decide that 30th will be our seeding for next season, but access and starting rounds will be based on 35th for next year?

What he said ^^^^

Access is already decided Champions into CL Q1, Cup Winners into Europa thingy Q3 and 2nd & 3rd in the league into Q1.

[finnpark]

All those years of trying to understand the system lost with one stroke of the pen by Platini (

With Mattews in charge Cork will be ranked as low as Harps soon

I don't think Cork supporters need to worry about the cost of travelling for the foreseeable future.

[Saint_Charlie]

Did our draw last night give us much points? .333 was it?

[Dazzy]

Did our draw last night give us much points? .333 was it?

Pats now have the same amount as Derry and Shels.

[gspain]

Did our draw last night give us much points? .333 was it?

.333 for the national coefficient but 1 point for your club coefficent. This would previously have been zero under the current system. If the current system remains in place then you will have this for 5 years and will be very valuable as regards seeding.

[holidaysong]

Below are the points for reaching the various rounds in qualifying next year which I've taken from the forum on Bert's site.. As has been stated previously in this thread, the points in qualifying are gained by reaching the relevant round and are non-cumulative. As well as going towards the national coefficient, they will also yield club points for each team.

Champions League

CLQ1 - 0.50
CLQ2 - 1.00
CLQ3 - nothing - as all teams who lose here go to ELQ4
CLQ4 - nothing - as all teams who lose here go to EL Group Stage
CL Group Stage - 4.00 

Europa League

ELQ1 - 0.25
ELQ2 - 0.50
ELQ3 - 1.00
ELQ4 - 1.50
EL Group Stage 2.00

Note that CLQ1 is a new round that will include only the 6 lowest ranked champions. Bohemians therefore will enter at CLQ2. (Bert called these rounds CLQ0 and CLQ1 on his site previously but has since changed it to include a CLQ4)..

[MariborKev]

Not really a coefficient question but....

City are now in the Cup Final, Bohs have already qualified for the Champions League. The Cup winners go into the 2QR of the UEFA Cup, so for the process of qualification do we take this spot or does it go the 2nd in the League?