Cork AUL 2006/07

**TheBoss** · 21/06/2007, 6:29 PM

The team in Division 1B, Bohemians FC. Is that the same team that played in the League of Ireland in the early 30s ?

**pass&move** · 21/06/2007, 8:11 PM

Originally Posted by TheBoss

The team in Division 1B, Bohemians FC. Is that the same team that played in the League of Ireland in the early 30s ?

No their all dead

**littleman** · 21/06/2007, 9:27 PM

Sorry for not resondin but I have been on holidays and am only just back and its like unwrapin presents lookin at these posts.

First I agree that Grattan should get team of the year.Why to win a cup and a league within the AUL is a fantastic feat.But to bring distinction to your league by reaching the last 8 of the biggest junior competition in Ireland surely comes above that.Grattan have done what Kinsale and Greenount before them failed to do.Match league success with success in the FAI.Its 20 odd years since a Cork side reached the last 8,let alone have 2 players on the ameture,not the junior,the ameture Irish side.Grattan when placed in the Fai draw will be the team that are to be avoided from down south.That alone seals it for me.Gave a bit of pride back to the AUL.

Secondly,the remarks about the state of Grattans and Villages pitch I take exception to.Grattans pitch and Villages are nothing alike.Grattans yes has a slight slope,but the surface is excellent and it has games palyed on it when no one else can manage a game.Why the work that has been done to it.Grattans pitch may not be Wembley but it is good.ie Doughlas hall paid a fortune for a pitch and it slopes off to the right hand side.As you walk onto Rockmount park the pitch slopes away from you.To top it off Turners X which I have played on,on many an occasion has some of the most incredabile gentle bumps you will ever see.

The pitch without doubt has a great influence on teams,but if the team is not good enough they could as well play on the moon.I had the misfortune to watch Castleview at home this year against Everton.Castleview won the senior the year before.Everton won 7/0 and Castleview looked like they were in the wrong division,shipping league comes to mind.Grattan played against Coachford and it could have been plyted in Croke Park with the amount of time the ball stayed on the ground.Go figure.Good teams adapt to the pitch,bad teams make up excuses because inevatibly the loose.

**littleman** · 21/06/2007, 9:34 PM

Sorry for not resondin but I have been on holidays and am only just back and its like unwrapin presents lookin at these posts.

First I agree that Grattan should get team of the year.Why to win a cup and a league within the AUL is a fantastic feat.But to bring distinction to your league by reaching the last 8 of the biggest junior competition in Ireland surely comes above that.Grattan have done what Kinsale and Greenount before them failed to do.Match league success with success in the FAI.Its 20 odd years since a Cork side reached the last 8,let alone have 2 players on the ameture,not the junior,the ameture Irish side.Grattan when placed in the Fai draw will be the team that are to be avoided from down south.That alone seals it for me.Gave a bit of pride back to the AUL.

Secondly,the remarks about the state of Grattans and Villages pitch I take exception to.Grattans pitch and Villages are nothing alike.Grattans yes has a slight slope,but the surface is excellent and it has games palyed on it when no one else can manage a game.Why the work that has been done to it.Grattans pitch may not be Wembley but it is good.ie Doughlas hall paid a fortune for a pitch and it slopes off to the right hand side.As you walk onto Rockmount park the pitch slopes away from you.To top it off Turners X which I have played on,on many an occasion has some of the most incredabile gentle bumps you will ever see.

The pitch without doubt has a great influence on teams,but if the team is not good enough they could as well play on the moon.I had the misfortune to watch Castleview at home this year against Everton.Castleview won the senior the year before.Everton won 7/0 and Castleview looked like they were in the wrong division,shipping league comes to mind.Grattan played against Coachford and it could have been plyted in Croke Park with the amount of time the ball stayed on the ground.Go figure.Good teams adapt to the pitch,bad teams make up excuses because inevitibly the loose.

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**thirdeye** · 22/06/2007, 9:39 AM

littleman you don't half fall over yourself at times...grattans pitch was not as good as leeside, macroom, possibly maymount and coachford in last years premier in my opinion...granted the club are making great strides on the pitch but off it needs to catch up...also you say grattan are a good football side and good football sides adapt to playing conditions and yet you say the grattan coachford game coulda been played at croke park cos neither side played ground football??? i think you need to stop looking thro rose coloured glasses and see grattans pitch for what it is...improving but a long way to go as i'm sure most visiting teams would agree and they are the ones with an objective view...slow down on the keyboard as your brain seems to work a little slower than your fingers!!!!
i do agree with one thing...passandmoves response was sheer class...

**Innishvilla** · 22/06/2007, 1:22 PM

On the subject of pitches and facilities;
Who have the best of either in each division???
I know most can only comment on where they have played, but there are some clubs below the premier have fairly decent facilities...
Here are my votes for what all clubs should aspire too... Buttevant deserves special mention to have done what they have in the current climate of expensive land and expensive development.
Div 1 Lakewood (I know courtesy of John A Woods)
Div 1A Buttevant
Div 2 Casement (MSL I know)
Div 2A Passage/Buttevant

**rebelrover** · 22/06/2007, 3:10 PM

I think you are the main contributor on this thread and your posts are entertaining and informative littleman, but you do lack a little impartiality at times...........Grattan this, grattan that!!

**Soccer Fan.** · 22/06/2007, 4:31 PM

Yes Littleman you do sound a little bit bias toward Grattan which I suppose in some ways is admirable if you support them - However I cannot agree that their pitch is one that Premier players all over the country and craving to play on!!.
Also may I take this opportunity to congratulate Innishvilla (comes to mind as I see a reply posted by someone from there above) on having the organisation and dedication of buying land and are about to develope a few new state of the art playing pitch'es - My sincere congrats to you and best of luck with the project.

**littleman** · 22/06/2007, 8:40 PM

I never said that O'Neill Park was fantastic,just not as bad as its made out to be thats all Soccer fan.The football hotbed in Cork seems to be on the northside and Grattan sit on top so its only natural that their spoken about the most.I am a fan of the AUL,have been and always will be,they have their faults but who dosent.

Third eye,off the pitch,Grattan's new dressing rooms are due to be built in July,they own there pitch,there own fully lit all weather and car park, so next season it will only be Park and Grattan that actually own there pitch and dressing rooms, so I don't understand what your comments are based on.

Innishvilla I think Banteer in last years 3a have the best dressing rooms and pitch in the AUL and Rathcoole have a great pitch.Corkbeg and Hibs have great set ups.Well done on buying your grounds as well,thats what we need more of.

**qwertyui** · 23/06/2007, 11:40 AM

God littleman you do my head in no end. Grattan do, without a doubt, deserve recognition for their tremendous season. However they themselves i'm sure will be a little miffed at only winning one trophy when more were in the offing?? I think you are blowing the trumpets, rolling out the red carpets, and kissing the sovereign rings on their fingers a little too early. A sign of a team is consistency... This is one season in the Cork Aul premier.. try it over five and then we'll have a chat about it. No doubt about it-Their FAI Junior exploits mean they will be a feared team next year in any competition... but thats partly because of the state of their pitch and the colourful people on the side line. That pitch is not conducive to free flowing football. end of. "Good teams can play anywhere...blah blah blah"- take those frickin glasses off man! It provides for an intimidating, in your face atmosphere that can get the better of the perhaps better footballing but nonetheless mentally weaker teams. Correct me if i'm wrong but are u comparing Grattans pitch to that of Turners Cross?? Coz thats sure as hell what it sounds like! Its laughable... I have had the luxury like u little man of playing on both.. U may want to close ur eyes for the next line but ............... Turners cross just gets my vote!! Its an awful pitch- i dont care whether u own it or not- sell it and get a new one for the love of god.

I must off as i could stay here all day, but fear not, i shall be keeping my fingers nimble in anticipation of a quick witted comeback from from the rose tinted one....

**Innishvilla** · 25/06/2007, 2:19 PM

Thanks to both Littleman and Soccer Fan.
It's a huge undertaking for the club but it is also the only way forwardfor us renting a pitch was just not an option, especially with the underage teams flying at the moment.
It is funny for us in the junior team, the past year every away game we've been checking out dimensions of pitches; ideas for layout etc... Hopefully in a year or two's time Innishvilla will have a facility that will get mentioned in this forum for all the right reasons.

**littleman** · 25/06/2007, 10:00 PM

Your bang on Innishvilla,if you dont make serious moves towards getting your own pitch ect you will end up in limbo.Trust me it is hard startin but once you get the ball rollin its easier as you go.If enough of clubs like yours did more to better our facilitys we might not be losing clubs to the MSL rather attracting themback.

Qwertyui,,,,,,,,,,you are from the southside or the country,otherwise you wouldnt refer to the support on the northside as colourful.People on the northside support junior football,3rd division to premier,rain or shine,I think your out of order in whay saying but thats your right,I appriciate that.If you read what I was saying instead of being odd at me mentioning Grattan you would have understood that my reference to O'Neill Park and Turners Cross was to do with the fact that though miles apart in terms of quality apearently they share the fact that they still have bumps.

You could take a leaf out of Innishvilla's book and be positive about the AUL clubs that are trying to improve instead of knockin it and its clubs.We have our faults and our facilitys are not the best but we are tryin and most of us at least are proud to play in the AUL.

Im sure theres a place for you and yours in the MSL.

**Soccer Fan.** · 26/06/2007, 10:04 AM

I think we are being a little bit unfair to Grattan in regards to their pitch - what I meant in an earlier post was that their pitch is not great and players certaintly do not look forward to playing there!. However to allow a 1/4 final of the FAI Juinior cup be played there the F.A.I must feel it is a reasonable pitch also, because believe me they would not if it was below the required standard. In regards to the colourful supporters in the northside well in my experience they can be vocal but boy are they passionate !! WOW!!. However after the games I find them to be fair and certainly dignified in victory or defeat. Believe me I have been at games in the southside, also let me add the county and their supporters are no different!!. The higher the league you play in the more it means to win or lose and goes for the supporters more so than players - that is the way I see it!.

**Innishvilla** · 27/06/2007, 1:46 PM

Originally Posted by Soccer Fan.

In regards to the colourful supporters in the northside well in my experience they can be vocal but boy are they passionate !! WOW!!. However after the games I find them to be fair and certainly dignified in victory or defeat. Believe me I have been at games in the southside, also let me add the county and their supporters are no different!!. The higher the league you play in the more it means to win or lose and goes for the supporters more so than players - that is the way I see it!.

I have to agree with Soccer Fan; I've played all over the city and county, I've found that teams from the north side are generally better supported (numbers wise) and almost always once the final whistle goes it is handshakes and back to the local... I say almost as there are always exceptions, but that can happen north/south/county/city.

**qwertyui** · 28/06/2007, 7:46 PM

Now now now littleman, please dont mis interpret what i said. I wasn't referring to Northsiders on the whole, this is the type of presumptious stupid statement I wouldnt dream of using! I was referring to Grattans supporters only. A big vocal home support anywhere provides for an intimidating atmosphere, but more so on top of the hill. Its not prejudice in anyway shape or form and please, dont think that it is, it's merely an opinion, an opinion that i consider to be true obviously.

In regard to the pitch debate, i dont think its obvious that you did make a distinction between Grattans pitch and The Cross. Fair enough its all cleared up now but i'm sure you can see where i was coming from?

As for the MSL reference! We're quite happy where we are thankyou and hopefully we will be challenging for the Aul Premier League title next year along with yourselves! Perhaps you may need to purchase a new pair of rose tinted glasses as i think your long sightedness has resulted in you looking too far south?!

**Marco** · 29/06/2007, 3:23 PM

Any one know about the keeper who has signed from Avondale to Ramblers? Any good

**thirdeye** · 30/06/2007, 7:35 AM

Originally Posted by littleman

Your bang on Innishvilla,if you dont make serious moves towards getting your own pitch ect you will end up in limbo.Trust me it is hard startin but once you get the ball rollin its easier as you go.If enough of clubs like yours did more to better our facilitys we might not be losing clubs to the MSL rather attracting themback.

Qwertyui,,,,,,,,,,you are from the southside or the country,otherwise you wouldnt refer to the support on the northside as colourful.People on the northside support junior football,3rd division to premier,rain or shine,I think your out of order in whay saying but thats your right,I appriciate that.If you read what I was saying instead of being odd at me mentioning Grattan you would have understood that my reference to O'Neill Park and Turners Cross was to do with the fact that though miles apart in terms of quality apearently they share the fact that they still have bumps.

You could take a leaf out of Innishvilla's book and be positive about the AUL clubs that are trying to improve instead of knockin it and its clubs.We have our faults and our facilitys are not the best but we are tryin and most of us at least are proud to play in the AUL.

Im sure theres a place for you and yours in the MSL.

what do you mean proud to play in the aul littleman..they just facilitate teams and may i add more teams each year thus watering down talent all over the county....they are non-progressive in fact in my humble opinion they stunt the growth of their best sides by them living in a land that time forgot!!!
times have moved on the aul hasn't thus best sides leave every season fact!!!
i disagree with the "keyboard" (qwerty) from little island?? about the grattan "support" i've been there for games and the comment about better football teams being intimidated is wrong in my opinion i haven't seen a better football side then grattan allseason in fact i've heard it said amongst older spectators that grattan are the best junior side for a long time...(the comment from regional manager after the munster j cup defeat by leeside sums that up...quote "grattan were a far better football side" end of quote) all about opinions....keep the comments coming fellow noncricketers especially in the off season....yawn....

**Soccer Fan.** · 30/06/2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Marco

Any one know about the keeper who has signed from Avondale to Ramblers? Any good

What is his name and I will find out

how good he is??.

**Soccer Fan.** · 03/07/2007, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by Marco

Any one know about the keeper who has signed from Avondale to Ramblers? Any good

Yeah saw his name in the Echo - He has been with Avondale a good few years - made 2 unbelievable saves in this years Intermediate cup final in Turners Cross - Has a huge presence on the goalline but can be a little reluctant to come too far off it. I would say he will be good cover for your own Keeper but his best days are behind him I'm afraid - That is my personal opinion of course!!.