QuoteThat would be interesting to see Stu.Originally Posted by pineapple stu
BTW, where did the attendance figures for the clubs come from?
Ok thanks lads for updates, esp pineapple, overall picture is a lot clearer now.
Also that premiership word is very annoying.
That would be interesting to see Stu.
BTW, where did the attendance figures for the clubs come from?
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the clubs fax their attendances onto the fai after every game, they just dont release them to the public, as scotland/england do.
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probably re-raising a thorny issue here so, but why did Genesis lift their figures off here instead of getting them from the FAI. Although, given that the person responsible for compiling attendances at the FAI Cup final said that the FAI overstated the figures in Landsdowne by 20%, how accurate are they?
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Look them up yourself, the Mirror and the red tops at the time of the matches called them promotion/relegation playoffs, RTE Radio also reported them as such, jesus do you want me to hold your hand around the Internet to find them?
im not saying the fai/all clubs are accurate with their attendances, but thats how its/should be done. how many clubs in ireland count their attendances properly? for one, i know galway do. im sure cork/pats/bohs/derry prob do too.
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This is taken from dundalk talk on oriel web.
list of LEAGUE (proper) titles from the new 12
correct where any errors made in the top 5. other than that, its a pure and simple list of wannabes.
Rovers 18
Shels 10 or 11
Bohs 7 or 8
pats 5
Derry 2 or 3
cork (city) 2
sligo 1
ucd 0
galway 0
longford 0
drogs 0
bray 0
A LEAGUE OF BULLSHXXTERS
Sums the whole thing up perfectly.
what has this history lesson got to do with anything?
Pretty pointless post.What are you saying like?
That the league should have been made up only of those who've won league titles?
History and tradition are a great thing to have but it's in the future and present where other clubs like GUFC and Drogheda thrive to make their own history.
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good point conor.. what have the last 4 years got 2 do with present and future?
I can not see why Waterford and Dundalk are complaining, they both knew and agreed to new structure next season and then come out saying why us, what did we do, I can understand their frustration about the play-off.
Both entered to be in the League of Ireland, whenever they joined in the past and should know the the League of Ireland run the show and can do what they want, that is what they accpeted to when they joined the League of Ireland many years ago.
Ok then, how about these points. Sound like a clearer and fairer observation from clubs who missed out or pehaps a general view of the new lge from the public and media.
1/ 6 Teams from Dublin, is a totally unbalanced spread for the country. This accounts for 50% of the teams in an are making up 30% of the country in population terms.
2/ The whole criteria was a shambles from start to finish. Having a 4 year limit was only going to suit the 'johnny come latelys' moderate clubs with poor support and very little to offer long term. Dundalk and Waterford with 15 lge titles between, both with very strong fan bases and excellent geographical locations have been punished for their only crime of recent poor performances.
3/ Clubs had no other option but to sign up for this.
4/ In no particular order, Bray, Longford, and UCD offer nothing but an easy location to Dublin, the first two only in senior football 20 years the latter since 1979, together their sum achievements is 5 FAI Cups. Add in Galway, Drogheda + Sligo and the net dividend is ONE single lge title between all 6. Premier Divsion indeed.
5/ The licensing system was totally flawed and twisted to suit certain clubs, for example both Kilkenny City and Monaghan EACH have almost 3 times the amount of seating than one Premier Club, Drogheda Utd. Shamrock Rovers have still not been punished extreme lighlty for financial irregularities during 2005. Further this club still cannot commit to a date when their ground will be ready and are at the mercy of whatever other Dublin club will offer them accommodation on a season per season. Compare this to Limerick been refused a FIRST DIV licence.
6/ A 10 team lge was tried and failed some seasons back and will not work again in 2008.
7/ John Delaney is not the man to bring this alleged new era forward. His appalling appointment of the irish senior manager and failure to have any other candidate lined up proves his shocking knowledge of the game.
8/ The scandal that was the play off was a pure waste of everyone's time and money.
9/ The fan base of too many clubs in the 12 team lge is too poor to have a quality product. UCD and Bray regularly get crowds under 1,000 and Longford have seen a sharp decline in theirs, also their recent average has dropped to below the 1,000 mark.
10/ In the UK clubs who go into administration start the season with an automatic 12 pt deduction, here a similar type of situation is bubbly away with the current champions Shelbourne and last years Cork both have winding up orders applied to them by Revenue, again nothing is done to punish them nor set a standard for future cases.
My point is both Dundalk and Waterford have twice or 3 times the potential that clubs like UCD,Bray, Longford and as much as clubs like Galway, Sligo, + Drogheda.
No provision was made for that in the criteria.
'suburbs' - and its bigger than galway but that still makes it the 5th biggest city in Ireland; it goes Dublin, Belfast, Cork, Derry, Limerick, Galway....
on another point; will Dundalk be entitled to Shelbourne's place when they go belly up?
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Hadn't realised that Northern Ireland had been abolished and we'd absorbed Belfast and Derry into our Central Statistics analysis. Either way that biggest city in the Republic debate is pointless, outside of Dublin the Republic has no proper cities, the rest of us are just small towns with big suburbs
You'll say I'm only bringing this up because of my 'hatred' for Galway United, but there was quite a few of us from Limerick and other clubs we talked to this year that used to have a laugh at Galway boosting their 'official attendences'. Seem to recall the Limerick fans being told on here that there was something like 700 in attendence for our first visit when Limerick fans counted roughly 300-350
If you look at his original quote, he says "Ireland" - I'm less of a republican that Nigel Dodds, but, Ireland is the whole Island as far as I'm concerned
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Premier Division means the best teams in the country. What happened years ago has nothing to do with how good you are now.
How does winning stuff years ago equate to having more potential? It counts for nothing in the long term.
Link to all the complaining Waterford fans please..
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point taken and noted
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