Players for B game?

**Kingdom** · 17/10/2006, 10:44 AM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The only good thing to come out of Berti Vogts tenure as Scotland manager is the Futura squad that Ranier Bonhoff was in charge of. They competed regularily, developed players who obviously weren't good enough for the 1st team squad, but were too old for the U21's.
Alexander, Caldwell, McFadden, Boyd, Pearson, McCulloch, Maloney, Beattie, Hartley(one of Scotlands most important layers currently) all players who have played for the Future squad and who are current internationals.
There is a purpose to the B Internationals, it'll be worth it in the long term.

**livehead1** · 17/10/2006, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

I don't know what Whelan you're thinking of.

Ronnie or Noel, lol.

**livehead1** · 17/10/2006, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

I think we should use this B team as a development team to groom players for the senior team, therefore nobody under 25 (bar keepers) should be picked IMO Likewise anybody with more than 5 caps

As Kingdom has recently pointed out, Hartley is a regular with Scotland after coming through from B games, he's not too young, but certainly not too old.

**Dodge** · 17/10/2006, 10:57 AM

Must've been thinking about someone else. Stand by my point though

**Kingdom** · 17/10/2006, 11:02 AM

Hartley is 30, played for the B team only at the start of 2005, and he is an automatic started for Scotland now. And they're not doing too bad at all.

**manofthemoment** · 17/10/2006, 1:18 PM

David Forde of Derry should be considered for GK

**livehead1** · 17/10/2006, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by manofthemoment

David Forde of Derry should be considered for GK

rather bring Kiely back.

**manofthemoment** · 17/10/2006, 1:50 PM

Originally Posted by livehead1

rather bring Kiely back.

Kiely not interested in playing for Ireland as far as i know

**Dodge** · 17/10/2006, 2:01 PM

He retired from the senior side, he's obviously not going to play for the feckin B team

**Kingdom** · 17/10/2006, 2:13 PM

There is a few ways of lookin at the "B" team. The way I look at it is, we don't experiment with players in friendlies or competitive games, so these games are the place to do it. For example we don't have a clue how reliable some backup players are for the senior team. Personally speaking the Goalkeeper is a crisis position, in its current state. Kenny has had one full game and was muck. I believe there is an underlying lack of confidence with Henderson too. He never seemed to want the ball back to him, as in when he got it, it was hoofed away ratehr than distributed. We're not like other countries who can seemlessly switch keepers when needed without much hassle (eg Germany Lehmann + Hildebrand). Same for the abck four. We'd be better off giving a shadow back four and a shadow cm pairing a continued run of competitive games together and then see what happens when they're called up to the first team.

**Dyl10** · 18/10/2006, 1:53 PM

Originally Posted by DmanDmythDledge

Barry Ryan would be included in that list, with him and Devine making up no.1/no.2 imo. Darren Quigley would be there as well, and you might as well not count Doyle or Randolph as they are behind Quigley in the U-21 pecking order.

Seriously doubt Ryan having a chance of getting in. Id imagine he'd probably be 4 or 5 in the eircom league pecking order. The 3 or 4 keepers playing in europe and Darren Quigley would be ranked ahead of him

**Schumi** · 18/10/2006, 2:23 PM

Originally Posted by Dyl10

Seriously doubt Ryan having a chance of getting in. Id imagine he'd probably be 4 or 5 in the eircom league pecking order. The 3 or 4 keepers playing in europe and Darren Quigley would be ranked ahead of him

Ignoring Quigley as I'm obviously biased, I'd have Ryan ahead of Forde & Williams and probably on a par with Devine.

**Block G Raptor** · 18/10/2006, 3:46 PM

I'd like to see Wardy get a run out

**cavan_fan** · 18/10/2006, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

There is a few ways of lookin at the "B" team. The way I look at it is, we don't experiment with players in friendlies or competitive games, so these games are the place to do it. For example we don't have a clue how reliable some backup players are for the senior team. Personally speaking the Goalkeeper is a crisis position, in its current state. Kenny has had one full game and was muck. I believe there is an underlying lack of confidence with Henderson too. He never seemed to want the ball back to him, as in when he got it, it was hoofed away ratehr than distributed. We're not like other countries who can seemlessly switch keepers when needed without much hassle (eg Germany Lehmann + Hildebrand). Same for the abck four. We'd be better off giving a shadow back four and a shadow cm pairing a continued run of competitive games together and then see what happens when they're called up to the first team.

Agree on this. But I dont think they should be our 2nd 11. (and since the A Team is playing at the same time they cant be). I think if we get 3-4 players form here into the squad over 12-18 months then thats great. So players should be beween 20-24.Cant believe there are realistic prosepcts above this age who havent had their chance.

**Bomb Landsdowne** · 18/10/2006, 4:54 PM

What about the Hunt brothers?

**Dyl10** · 18/10/2006, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Ignoring Quigley as I'm obviously biased, I'd have Ryan ahead of Forde & Williams and probably on a par with Devine.

I honestly do think Ryan is a very good keeper and im not saying he isnt one of the top keepers in the league, but i think when it comes to picking a squad, he would probably be fourth or fifth choice. I honestly dont think he has a hope of getting into the squad