New Irish manager

**Billsthoughts** · 23/01/2008, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by ainsie

Conspiracy theory: Total amount per year for manager and all backroom staff. � 2m. = 166,666 a month x 4 months 666,666.00 saved by end of Feb.

I know its a load of Sh1t but would not put it past them.

I see my conspiracy theory is already in the selection team thread.Oh well.

Conspiracy Debunk - Surely whoever gets the job will be given a two year contract? so therefore there will be no money saved?

**citizenerased** · 23/01/2008, 10:47 AM

they were always goin to wait as long as possible to save money..its the fai ffs..esp after paying stanley off!

**Ozymandias** · 23/01/2008, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by colster

Folks, just wondering whether the announcement tonight is to do with the Director of International Performance and not the Manager position and that in fact Liam Brady will be announced as the DOIP.

In the light of what has happened ( That is nothing) sand the rumours doing the rounds you seemed to have got it spot on colster

**Kingdom** · 23/01/2008, 11:29 AM

TOD on 6.01 news yesterday intimated that someone was offered a position, which was expected by the FAI to be accepted, and were to announce it, but was rejected. He suggested it was Brady.
Now if that is correct (in that it was Brady), it asks two questions.

1) Was Brady expecting to be offered the Managers job, and bauked at the idea of technical director?

2) Did Brady agree to Technical Director but refused when informed who the manager would be?

Either way, why would Brady take up a position similar to the one he holds at Arsenal.
One thing is for sure, the FAI don't make things easy for themselves/

**Ozymandias** · 23/01/2008, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

TOD on 6.01 news yesterday intimated that someone was offered a position, which was expected by the FAI to be accepted, and were to announce it, but was rejected. He suggested it was Brady.
Now if that is correct (in that it was Brady), it asks two questions.

1) Was Brady expecting to be offered the Managers job, and bauked at the idea of technical director?

2) Did Brady agree to Technical Director but refused when informed who the manager would be?

Either way, why would Brady take up a position similar to the one he holds at Arsenal.
One thing is for sure, the FAI don't make things easy for themselves/

My thoughts exactly......particularly point 2..was the manager to be TV or Hoddle who Brady mightn't be to enamoured with

**Newryrep** · 23/01/2008, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

Another example of a poor footballing nation, with little heritage of their own, with a poor economy, acquiring the services of a decent continental manager. Why we can't look beyond the Premiership is a joke to me.

Because even though the job is quite attractive with a surperb salary and realistic expectations (ie be competative) the FAI have done the equivalent of placing an advertisement in 'The Sun' instead of Le Figaro, Liberation,, Der Stern, Corrierre della Serra etc.

Of course we all know how successfull the leading british style international team has been, despite having one of the top five richest domestic leagues. Failed to qualify on several occassions and not made a final in nealy 20 attempts over 40 years. (their only success being on home soil)

**Noelys Guitar** · 23/01/2008, 11:53 AM

A journo on Radio 5 is suggesting that Venables turned down the job because the contract being offered was from first match to last match only. Not a calendar 2 year contract.

**Stuttgart88** · 23/01/2008, 11:57 AM

What a dumb way to structure a contract? Surely he should be on the payroll asap to go and watch players etc. Anyway, if appointed next week, the first match is 6th February anyway so it's splitting hairs.

If true, that probably is penny pinching, though it doesn't say how much was offered.

**Kingdom** · 23/01/2008, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

What a dumb way to structure a contract? Surely he should be on the payroll asap to go and watch players etc. Anyway, if appointed next week, the first match is 6th February anyway so it's splitting hairs.

If true, that probably is penny pinching, though it doesn't say how much was offered.

Ths possible they are structuring the contract so that they don't get fcuked over, in relation to Venners, and if this isn't acceptable to him then bye-bye. A kind of testing the waters if you will.

**Sonic** · 23/01/2008, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by NeilMcD

Yeah we do because we are supporter of the Irish team, if you dont care, well then you are not a supporter.

Your right. Longford Town for me any day of the week!!!!

**TheBoss** · 23/01/2008, 12:58 PM

If Brady is chosen than the FAI are contradicting themselves in terms of wanting an experienced manager. I know he has managed Celtic and Brighton, but that is hardly enough experience for the Ireland Job.

**Ozymandias** · 23/01/2008, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Kingdom

Ths possible they are structuring the contract so that they don't get fcuked over, in relation to Venners, and if this isn't acceptable to him then bye-bye. A kind of testing the waters if you will.

What i am amazed at is given the amount of people against TV getting the job both in the media and Joe Public that the FAI would even consider this appointment in light of what went before with Stan. It really sets out the stall where in relation to what we rhink and perceive of the FAI that he is still a viable candidate....Or Maybe I am not giving them enough credit and that they are using him as a smokescreen as almost any one else would be looked on more favourably than him if appointed........

cant believe I am accusing the FAI of lateral thinking....jaysus I better ly down

**geysir** · 23/01/2008, 1:16 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

A journo on Radio 5 is suggesting that Venables turned down the job because the contract being offered was from first match to last match only. Not a calendar 2 year contract.

Wasn't Hodgson's contract with Finland, from June before qualifiers to Nov immediat afterwards.
With us Venables would be getting Feb 2008 to Nov 2009. Venables want 2 months more.
It doesn't look to me to be an unsurmountable obstacle to signing a contract.

Verdict .... Venables spin? FAI have another option?

**NeilMcD** · 23/01/2008, 1:18 PM

Yeah I agree geysir. Houllier is going to get this job if he wants it and Venables is already lining up the excuses via the British media.i

**paul_oshea** · 23/01/2008, 1:26 PM

what has venables said in the british media?

**NeilMcD** · 23/01/2008, 1:30 PM

=Noelys Guitar;860723]A journo on Radio 5 is suggesting that Venables turned down the job because the contract being offered was from first match to last match only. Not a calendar 2 year contract.

**Ozymandias** · 23/01/2008, 1:30 PM

Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

A journo on Radio 5 is suggesting that Venables turned down the job because the contract being offered was from first match to last match only. Not a calendar 2 year contract.

there ya go paul

**Bondvillain** · 23/01/2008, 1:35 PM

I personally think that Givens' Dual presence as U21 manager AND as a man responsible for hiring the Future BOSS of the U21 manager is causing an element of conflict.

If, when interviewed, a potential manager believes that Givens is the right man to nurture underage talent in Ireland, then I don't want him in charge of the Senior squad, because he knows nowt about Givens ability.

And if, when interviewed, a potential manager believes that Givens is NOT necessarily the right man to nurture underage talent in Ireland, but is willing to let it ride so he can take the gig, then I dont want him in charge of the senior squad, as he's a money grabbing git with no interest in the game here.

The FAI are so out of touch with popular opinion that they stuck him in because they thought he commanded respect amongst the fans. (Possibly after the initial unwillingness of Giles to become the public face of the committee)
When (after a groundswell of discontent about the appointment of Givens due to his tactical shortcomings and media history) they realised they were wrong about his ability to swing the fans, they went on a hunt for someone else to bolster the (already active) interview team. What other reason would there be to add a third man to a seemingly "world class" "headhunting" team?
Having been allegedly rebuffed by several ex-players who know a poison chalice when it's handed to them, they settled on the introduction of Houghton, who , if interpretations of certain media reports are to be believed (big "if", granted), disagrees with Givens and Howe over the structure of the interview procedure.

Any FAI procedure is almost certainly guaranteed to be farcical, but I personally strongly believe that the presence of Givens appears to have been a stumbling block for at least some of the would-be appointees in this circus, and has made this one something special. What if Houllier wants his own U21 team? Will he be entertained? Or would that be a deal breaker?

An ill-concieved appointment which may yet cost us dearly.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 23/01/2008, 1:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bondvillain

I personally think that Givens' Dual presence as U21 manager AND as a man responsible for hiring the Future BOSS of the U21 manager is causing an element of conflict.

If, when interviewed, a potential manager believes that Givens is the right man to nurture underage talent in Ireland, then I don't want him in charge of the Senior squad, because he knows nowt about Givens ability.

I thought the senior manager has no say in who are the underage managers.

**tetsujin1979** · 23/01/2008, 2:03 PM

Carsley and Kilbane want a resolution to this soon: http://www.football365.com/story/0,1...073171,00.html

Can't really decide if the fact the players are being kept out of the loop is a good thing or a bad thing