The Damage that Stan us doing to us

**joema** · 07/09/2006, 2:07 AM

IMO Stan is doing a great deal of damage to us and I can only see things getting worse.

He is cauing damage in the following areas:

1) Alienating a lot of eircom league fans and the general public who were in many cases already disullusioned with the National team by pretending to give the el players a fair crack of the whip when he has no intention of doing so and attempting to recruit the likes of Kevin Nolan and Aaron Lennon and making it publicaly known that if you can qualify for Ireland even if you are not 1% Irish he will give you a chance

2) Hampering Paddy McCarthy's progress by refusing to include him in the squad for the Holland game when we were extremley short on center halfs- he will play for us eventually, there is little doubt about that so why not include him in the squad for a friendly game. He is Leicester club captain ffs and we are not blessed with centre halfs to say the least

3) Including Terry Dixon in the squads and saying that he would have played against Holland only he was injured. IMO this is a big mistake, he is simply not ready and has not even played reserve yet If he plays senior for us it may cause him to loose focus as he may feel he has it made already.

Also surely Stokes is a better bet if he wants to bring a hot prospect through - at least he has played a lot of reserve football and Im sure has learned a lot at Arsenal.

If not Stokes than why doesnt he include Shane Long (I realsie he is now serving an International suspension). He has massive potential and has done it at Championship level already unlike Dixon

If Long or Stokes were being coveted by the English set up Im sure Stan would include them - it all leaves a bad taste in the mouth IMO

3) Also Stan is causing damage by leaving Andy Reid out of the squads - he has great natural ability and great creativity - something our midfield badly lacks - even if he is not fully fit yet surely he can do a job for us for 20 mins ffs

4)He accepts poor displays and refuses to give some players a well deserved kick up the �rse - O'Shea for eg has clearly slipped into the comfort zone and badly needs a kick up the �rse but Stan decides to praise him instead - makes no sense to me

**theworm2345** · 07/09/2006, 2:30 AM

Its inexcusable to have a "manager" who has absolutely 0 experience to be our manager. He was a player on Walsall until the day he became our manager. I have no problem with him, I thought he was a great player for Ireland. Regardless, the FAI dont want to seem like they are to blame, so he will be with the team (barring losses to Wales, San Marino, or Cyprus) until the end of Euro 2008 Qualifying. At least thats my guess.
P.S. Wait a tick, joema, dont I know you from FootballClips? Or is that joena.
EDIT: Yeah its joena

**mypost** · 07/09/2006, 4:33 AM

The players are capable of getting us to Euro 2008. The boss isn't. He appears to have no knowledge whatsoever of run of the mill things like effective tactics, and game plans. Does he even have any qualifications to coach a side?

We don't have a national team boss, we have an FAI-installed puppet instead. All talk of 4-year plans won't wash with an Irish public that demand instant progress, and success. When was the last time we lost 3 matches in a row?

Ship up Staunton, or ship out.

**drinkfeckarse** · 07/09/2006, 8:12 AM

All fair points Joema but we need to give him a few games to see if the team responds to him before we start calling for his head. And I say that as one of Stans critics so far.

We don't have the players that can automatically be expected to qualify. I think a lot of us forget that and demand the managers head for failure to qualify for a tournament.

I'm personally a bit more realistic and don't expect us to breeze through any qualifying phase. I can accept us not qualifying from time to time, what I can't accept is the players showing a lack of passion.

That's what happened with Kerr and it's why he had to go and so far it looks as if we're heading down the same road again.

**thelimerick** · 07/09/2006, 8:31 AM

Ship out, at the earliest opportunity...
Lets face it, even if Staunton improved he is still approaching this job without any experience. This improvement would still fall short of whats needed at this level, EXPERIENCE. Experience dealing with players, established players, young players coming through, fringe players etc. Experience building a team out of a group of players, creating that spirit and unity. Experience on the sidelines, what to do, when to do it, who to bring on, who to bring off, whats effective, whats not.
Staunton was an extremely bad appointment. I genuinely feel for the guy, he is out of his depth, he really wants to make this work for him, for the team, for Ireland. He is simply not up to it though, had he worked for this position, gained experience week in week out, maybe. But as it is its not fair to everyone. Its unfair to Staunton to keep him in over his head and ruin him before he even starts. Its unfair to the players to have to watch their leader and know that he's not up to it, to see the mistakes he is making, for some to their own cost. Its not fair to the supporters especially if the FAI stubornly stand by him at all costs just as vigorously as Staunton tried to convince us how brilliant our players were V Germany.
Look at the situation, one match into his competitive career and already people are calling for him to go. We're not that spitefull a support, its obvious for one and all to see that Staunton unfortunately, is not good enough, and it could cost us qualification for a major tournament once again.

**Dublin12** · 07/09/2006, 8:41 AM

Originally Posted by thelimerick

Ship out, at the earliest opportunity...
Lets face it, even if Staunton improved he is still approaching this job without any experience. This improvement would still fall short of whats needed at this level, EXPERIENCE. Experience dealing with players, established players, young players coming through, fringe players etc. Experience building a team out of a group of players, creating that spirit and unity. Experience on the sidelines, what to do, when to do it, who to bring on, who to bring off, whats effective, whats not.
Staunton was an extremely bad appointment. I genuinely feel for the guy, he is out of his depth, he really wants to make this work for him, for the team, for Ireland. He is simply not up to it though, had he worked for this position, gained experience week in week out, maybe. But as it is its not fair to everyone. Its unfair to Staunton to keep him in over his head and ruin him before he even starts. Its unfair to the players to have to watch their leader and know that he's not up to it, to see the mistakes he is making, for some to their own cost. Its not fair to the supporters especially if the FAI stubornly stand by him at all costs just as vigorously as Staunton tried to convince us how brilliant our players were V Germany.
Look at the situation, one match into his competitive career and already people are calling for him to go. We're not that spitefull a support, its obvious for one and all to see that Staunton unfortunately, is not good enough, and it could cost us qualification for a major tournament once again.

I agree,but thats the level of manager that were gonna get unless the FAI decide to pay a proper wage to attract a big name,plus the most important thing thats been said above by drinkfeckarse..WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAYERS ANYMORE,bottom line.

**drummerboy** · 07/09/2006, 9:03 AM

If a team like Norn Ireland, with the players at their disposal can beat Spain, surely, with the players at OUR disposal, we should be expected to win our next 3 games. I know the Czech Republic will be touch, but if the players are set up right and show the passion shown last night by NI, we can win. However, the appointment of Stan, and they the demise of Bobby Robson's health, are disastrous for Irish football.

**Stuttgart88** · 07/09/2006, 9:06 AM

Our near term hopes are tied in with Bobby Robson's health, no question.

I'm fighting the inclination to tear things up & start again, but we've simply got to accept that we can't afford a good manager. If the Drumavilles of this world cared enough they could stump together EUR 1m a year for an experienced manager's salary, with the FAI guaranteeing a further EUR 1m-2m upon qualification. Too many people get something for nothing these days, but rewarding results is fair.

Just out of interest, let's say we win in Cyprus, who'd people like to be in charge for the Czech game?

Mick
Staunton
Aldridge
Kerr
Bobby Robson

We asked the same question among ourselves on Saturday- who'd we like to be managing us for a one off in Stuttgart - omitting Robson & Aldridge, and not one of us said Staunton!

**drummerboy** · 07/09/2006, 9:08 AM

Aldridge or Bobby Robson

**shakermaker1982** · 07/09/2006, 9:09 AM

I want to give Stan a chance - I really do. But to be me this appointment of Staunton has been down to two factors for the FAI:

1: He's as cheap as the beer in Prague.

2: He won't cause any problems or upset the suits in any way.

If we don't beat Cyprus he has to go. We really are up the creek without 3 points in that one and are better off starting again.

**thelimerick** · 07/09/2006, 9:10 AM

Originally Posted by Dublin12

I agree,but thats the level of manager that were gonna get unless the FAI decide to pay a proper wage to attract a big name,plus the most important thing thats been said above by drinkfeckarse..WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAYERS ANYMORE,bottom line.

There's no doubt that player-wise we're in transition and so there is a gap.
However, we have a huge amount of talent in England, We can name an Ireland team with all eleven playing Premiership football. I believe that by blending the top players with the emerging talent we can qualify. By removing the players that are only in the squad because they are familiar names to us now, we will remove the weakest aspects of the team, those that cost us games.
Really, at this stage is ther any point in having Kilbane in the squad let alone the first team? What has Kavanagh to offer, gain possesion only to hoof it away to the opposition? Morrision? Harte? These players cost us possesion, goals and games.
Since the transfer deadline we have good young players moving to get first team football. This will help Ireland. They are young they can improve and with regular football they will improve quickly. They should have purpose re Ireland but they don't. Why? Because players like Kilbane, Kavanagh and Morrisson are regulars in the squad regardless of their performances. Kilbane for the last seven years FFS, what has he proved in that time? In interviews now he still talks about learning, he's 29, if he doesn't know now how to defend or pass then he will never know. The replacements are there, they're just not getting their chance. Mc Geedy should have started on the right leaving Reid back into the centre instead of Kilbane. As it was we had a passenger for the best part of that match and players we're played out of position to accomadate him. Not good enough. Same for Carr, Finnan who is much much better moved to accomadate the lazyness of Carr. By doing this we are making our better players less effective to accomadate those who are poor, it's rubbish.
These are Stauntons decisions here and they are costing us.

**Istabraq** · 07/09/2006, 9:11 AM

It seemed that bringing Bobby Robson cemented his position as the FAI fav for the job (along with the fact that Stan has strings attached to every joint in his body, but thats another days work). Unfortunately for all concerned, especially Bob of course, this hasnt worked out at all, and there are reports in the paper today that he will never return to his post, such is his condition. It is now being touted that they will bring somebody else in to hold his hand, with Kenny Daglish being mentioned.
This is an absolutely disgraceful state which the FAI have plunged our team in to. The fact that Stan wasnt deemed capable of taking over on his own (obviously by himself aswell, as he approached Boobby) speaks volumes of why he should never have been given the job.
Joe Kinnear or even Aldo are much more qualified to do the job, and would instill much more passion.

**paul_oshea** · 07/09/2006, 9:12 AM

i hope bobby robson is well enough come october and takes charge for the two games, i reckon we will definately win. Something tells me though even if he is, that staunton wont want him down there, in case he does too good a job......and therefore he wont actually be on the touchline.

**youngirish** · 07/09/2006, 9:27 AM

Give him a chance. We put in a decent performance in Germany IMO and that marked a significant improvement over the previous 2 games. I'd be lying if I said he doesn't worry me but if we improve half as much from now until the next game then things will be looking good. If one thing is certain I'm at least happy Kerr is gone as he definitely hadn't a clue.

Worryingly on Saturday however I couldn't see were the goals were going to come from, goals that we will undoubtedly need to have any chance of qualification. In fairness though it was a fairly defensive, uncreative midfield he selected so kick O'Shea and Kilbane out and replace them with McGeady and A Reid against Cyprus (with A Reid and S Reid in the centre) and I reckon we can do a job on them.

However, if he plays Kilbane and O'Shea against Cyprus where we need to win then there will be no doubt in my mind that he doesn't know what he's doing and all qualification hopes are gone and I would be happy to see him go.

**green army** · 07/09/2006, 9:29 AM

does anyone know why we didnt have a friendly last night. IMO stan should be getting in as many games as possible. also did the players go back to england after the game or did stan keep them around and go through the germany match.

**colster** · 07/09/2006, 9:56 AM

I think we should give Staunton some more time. Things haven't looked good in the last 3 games. The question has to be asked have the performances improved over those during Kerr's tenure. If we were to change then I think we should look for someone with a lot of experience. I look at the example of Scotland with Walter Smith and the job he has done. If and when we have to we need to get someone with a lot of experience and who the team will instantly respect.

I have the suspicion that the delay in appointing Kerr's successor was because the FAI originally wanted Robson as manager (Staunton as assistant) but had reservations about his health.

There are a lot of managers with lots of experience out of a job at the moment.

**colster** · 07/09/2006, 9:58 AM

Originally Posted by green army

does anyone know why we didnt have a friendly last night. IMO stan should be getting in as many games as possible. also did the players go back to england after the game or did stan keep them around and go through the germany match.

Totally agree. I think we should have had 3-4 more games in the Spring/Summer. I think a tour would have been good too.