tonight was a disgrace
Ten years is recent.Originally Posted by dancinpants
So we've not had much investment for 40 odd years yet we rarely get hammered this badly. Statistically, your argument is without merit.
Moreover, if the populace in general ignore a domestic league then that is their perogative.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
If yer 90!!!
It was you who argued the following as an excuse:
Make yer mind upFFS we're a small country with limited resources. We've only recently become a first world country so it's not like we've had the time or the finances to fund a good Irish league.
Where did I say it WASN'T their perogative?
"FFS we're a small country with limited resources. We've only recently become a first world country so it's not like we've had the time or the finances to fund a good Irish league."
We have had plenty of time to do plenty of things. Its just that we export our fanbase, just like our young players.
Last edited by Gareth; 16/08/2006 at 10:26 PM.
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10 years is a very short period of time a particularly when pre-'96 we had a significantly smaller economy than we do now.
We never have had a particularly well-funded league yet we have rarely been beaten so badly. To wit, your argument that we would not lose this badly with a well-funded league is without merit given the statiscally small number of times we have lost this badly.
The real problem is the culture of football on these islands. Holland kept possession. We gave it away. Holland waited for an opening. We hoofed the ball as soon as possible.
No amount of money will help unless we change our basic style of football. I have seen nothing in England or in Ireland to suggest that such a change is coming anytime soon.
Only Mcgeady and Doyle show any sort of real promise.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
No investment at home = sh1t international team eventually
The culture as you clearly pointed out has changed and now you need that ground work to support and feed an International team. England have failed to grow English players to the top level in the same quantity as years ago and they are suffering. If we had a strong league here, I do think it would benefit our international team.
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That's an utterly meaningless comment. Put another way, it's so open-ended that it has no value.
Scotland have a significant league yet they have been poor for nearly 15 years now.
Ireland are poor for many reasons and lack of a domestic league is one of them but only one of them.
Overall though, I agree with you. A good, strong LOI would be better in the long run (but only if the culture of football changes i.e. we move away from the English model of kick & run).
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Yeah, Irish clubs need to change, espcially after Derry getting thrashed 5-1 by Gretna after hoofing the ball all game.
Right because Gretna are top class continental opposition....right?
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
Well before that match? According to the media and bar stoolers? YES
What about Gothenburg then?
What about Djurgadens?
Malmo?
Hadjuk Split?
Njemingens? (however its spelt)
Appollon Limmasol?
Oh and I s'pose we could say...
...Aberdeen (of said significant league)
Kaiserslautern maybe?
Fergie wrote:
Yet you are quick to dismiss a team that are almost as certain as you can get to be promoted to the SPL, and who will also possibly hold down (admittedly at best) a mid-table spot in said SPL.Scotland have a significant league yet they have been poor for nearly 15 years now.
Last edited by dancinpants; 17/08/2006 at 5:00 AM.
And mid-table in the SPL is meaningful in what way?
Until we see EL teams beating the likes of even a Blackburn or a Hamburg let's drop this nonsensical notion that the EL is on a par with any decent European league.
Indeed, I would take a Rosenberg in 10 games over any EL team.
As I have pointed out numerous times, using an objective criteria (i.e. $$) the EL just does not rate.
There is no such thing as a miracle cure, a free lunch or a humble opinion.
If our national team could beat Blackburn or Hamburg I'd be happy.
And why do you have this big chip on your shoulder about the LOI? What's the big fear with trying out LOI players in a friendly?
Personally I don't think there're any players in the LOI at the moment that could be first-choice for the national team but there are players in the league that can add depth to the squad and shouldn't be ignore just because the play their football in Ireland.
And as I am pointing out now, you are just wrong.
Anyway, enough about this now.
Last edited by Soper; 17/08/2006 at 10:26 AM.
People can bang on all they like about the players not being good enough and all that recycled bullsh*t but if you follow football to any degree you should know that player for player we should be better than the likes of Chile, Wales, Slovakia and similar to the Czech Republic (Nedved has retired, Kohler probably will follow).
Our first 11 all play in the Premiership which is apparently one of the top 3 leagues in the world. Many of our players play for top Premeriship clubs (Tottenham, Liverpool, Man U). None of the above teams can make the same claim (including the Czech Republic).
The real problem is the amateurish, inexperienced (particlarly at the top level) managers that the toss*rs in the FAI keep on appointing to save themselves a few quid. Few have ever looked like they actually had a clue what they were doing. It says it all that our most successful manager ever (Charlton) deep down had really only been an average English first division manager but even then was so much better than what came before or after that he was incorrectly thought to be a great manager.
Part of the reason they could do that was the space we gave them last night. We've never played slick football like them, and I don't think you have to to be reasonably successful at international level.
I don't want to get into that arguement, but I'd just like to point to the example of the Czechs, who export their youngsters later, and have a decent domestic league and a superb NT.
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Could I have been right here? Of course, in Saipan, Staunton supported Mick McCarthy (at least I assume so as he sat with him at the press conference) and according to Keane's book, Gary Breen and David Connolly supported Roy. Now neither of them are in the squad (Connolly may have not been in regardless, but Breen?). Perhaps I'm wrong, but it could be, as it did say on FAI.ie (Holland match) that Breen, Doherty, Connolly and maybe a few others were not selected for "other reasons" that were not mentioned
Yeah, Im probably wrong
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