Quoteroy keane,liam o brien,curtis fleming, paul magrath and flavour of the month robbie doyle came from Irish clubs to name some "quality" off the top of my head...Originally Posted by livehead1
there is no quality to the game in ireland. i wouldn't take interest of him either if he was playing in the EL, the reason why...because he clearly would not be good enough, much the same that i wouldn't take much notice of willie boland, at 30 odd years of age playing at cardiff, sitting on the bench. there not idiotic comments, there opinions
roy keane,liam o brien,curtis fleming, paul magrath and flavour of the month robbie doyle came from Irish clubs to name some "quality" off the top of my head...
Kevin Doyle
he will always be robbie to me.
is that some kind of joke? the league has been in existance for decades and has only produced about 40 at the very most, decent players who are capable at playing at a decent level. my local saturday side produced 3 are playing professional football. there is no quality
thats the way to prove you arent a bar stool ole ole plastic muppet.**** off back to your playstation and leave the chat for those with a clue.
FYI Rovers have supplied 61 full senior internationalists for the Irish team, more than any other club. in the 50's the LOI was stronger than your beloved English game for a time.
edit: it says on your profile you are a 'semi-pro footballer'. reckon you would last in the EL?
Last edited by Roverstillidie; 04/12/2005 at 7:20 PM.
Thats very nice for you livehead1 its a pity you dont have a clue about Irish football as you clearly equate proffessional football with English football . there are plenty of fine pro's in Ireland and i for one am glad the likes of you are in England and not here , In fact i suggest you support them at the next World Cup.
suggest what you want, have you ever even been outside the wonderful surroundings of ballymote, tubbercurry, gurteen and the like. you may find that there are very few 'fine pros' in ireland compared to most other footballing nations in europe. and they can never be judged as adequate for international football whilst they are playing in such a league as the EL, and never being good enough to qualify for european competitions.
well maybe i am reading this wrong but you strike me as being very hypocritical coming on here with your professed interest in Irish football , you seem to have some Sligo roots but have never shown any interest in us on that God forbid that you would actually ever have to live here you are happy in your comfort zone over there where you can critizise a league you know very little about
what does that even mean? Irish clubs dont qualify for Europe? You are on a loser here, get your head out of your arse.
The EL may not be an English Premiership in terms of quality, standards have reimproved over the past 5 years. Clubs are going full time, there are a rake of international players from other nations and the European runs are drastically imroved. Hence the annoyance at players getting into Irish squads within weeks of moving overseas from the EL. Kevin Doyle was good enough for the Irish squad in Cork, Reading didnt turn him into a great player overnight.
The rot only began in the 70's when English games were shown live and the clubs didnt react by moving their games to accomodate. Up until then the league was for a while considered superior to the English game you love so much. Again, 61 internaionals, more than Manuere and Muderpool combined.
What the EL doesnt need is some smart arsed brit doing it down.
Brit? born in sligo, so go an f*ck yourself.
it will never be as good as the premier league, the spanish league, or even the german league as most players given the choice will play in a country that has more facilities. ireland is too small, talk about living in a goldfish bowl. another thing, they will never be able to afford to pay the wages that the top players earn. even if there was coverage as great as it is on tv in other countries, irish fans do not earn enough money to pay the kind of prices that other countries charge. even in germany where they have reasonably priced tickets, around 20 pounds to see Bayern, that would be more than most could afford, especially in rural ireland on a weekly basis.
this part of the forum is for international footballers, of which, the Eircom League, and all its mightiness as very little to do with, if you cant see that the English league has contributed more to irish football than irish football has to itself then you are blind. even second generation players are trained in england and then wear the green of ireland. its safe to say they have done more for our national game than we have for their national game
just cos you love the EL, theres no need to have a go at the teams that comprise a more successful league than the one you adore, no matter how painful it is
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Livehead, I see where you are coming from and that it can be annoying when a hardcore EL fan ridicules you, as an Irish person, for not having a deep knowledge and passion for the EL. I've read and agreed with a lot of your other posts. I don't know your background (when you left sligo, where you are now, how long you have been there, how old you are) but even me, someone who left Ireland about 8 years ago, can see that the quote above is totally ridiculous. Do you not know that Ireland has made tremendous progress in the last 10 years and is at the moment the 2nd richest country (per capita) in Europe?
http://radar.oreilly.com/archives/20...d_the_sec.html
In other words to spend 20 pounds (30 euro) a week on a hobby would be peanuts for your average rural or urban Irish person.
In fact the Germans would find it more difficult at the moment to pay such a price for 2 hrs entertainment. BTW I was at the FrankenStadion in Nürnberg a few weeks ago and the ticket prices for a Bundesliga game start at about 13 Euros!
so you are going to ignore the fact that until charlton the majority of the Irish team was domestically based? and most of the best ever Irish players had a connection to the LOI? you could argue that the team only improved because JC trawled the English game for potential players, but these are facts. Its offensive to us EL fans to have 60 of the 85 years written out of history by some teenager brought up on sky in Warwikshire with Irish roots write such ignorant nonsense.
Your quite frankly baflling logic that no-one in Ireland can afford 20 notes (EL prem teams charge 15, first 13) to watch football is nonsense. How can so many Irish afford to go overseas with regularity to watch their teams? How much do you think going to Croke Park, Landsdowne or even the ****ing cinema costs? What a **** poor attempt at explaining your disdain for Irish football's grass roots.
The reason Irish domestic football is in the doldrums is because goons like you compare it to the EPL and dont go. Not because we are all sooooo poor in Ireland that we cant pay money in to grounds.
You opened this can of worms by stating you only noticed Kavanagh's existence when he joined an EPL club, despite the many great years he had playing for Stoke, Cardiff and Ireland. This kind of 'only the premiership matters' nonsense is a menace to football here and in england. And I belive that la liga is far superior to the EPL. Do I annoy you with crap like 'i notice this guy beckham recently, apparantly he played in some other league before'?
total ignorance
LOL i have no problem with ireland having a league and i don't dislike it, its just a poor poor league. to sum up your comments, i was going to ignore the fact that :
to answer all of your posts in one fact. Ireland never qualified for a world cup UNTIL the Jack Charlton reign.
i think that answers everything
agree with you 100% Roverstillidie !
i dont wanna attack the poster rather than the post but people like him make my blood boil!
What a hypocritical comment seeing as you are cheerleading the cause of a man one year younger than that who is playing at a lower level
no-one is saying the EL is Serie A or that you are under any obligation to like it, but if you are going to ignore it, dont make inane comments that there have only been 40 footballers produced by the league ever, its incorrect and patronising.
Again, Keane, Giles, McGrath, Beglin, O'Brien, Fleming etc as well as Doyle and Murphy this season have all played in the LOI. Now we see solid players like Fenn, O'Callaghan, O'Flynn, Moore, Gavin, Webb, Crowe etc playing in the EL over mid-division English ball. Dont be so dismissive of an improving product because you are ignorant of it.
look at o'callaghan...rejected at port vale. liam kearney....rejected at forest . crowe....rejected at wolves... Fenn was spurs was it? they werent good enough then and there not good enough now. they might look good in the EL but they will never be up to international standard. O'Flynn may be the one exception
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