If your different model is not for success on the pitch I would have thought that was the definition of arse ways priorities for a football club ?
in fairness, with the infrastructure and financial situation at Bohs - if they simply tried to do what Rovers do, they'd probably be less successful than they are now. all the stuff they do probably bridges the gap to a certain degree - increases jersey sales and ticket sales and ultimately, most years they're able to put out a side that's competitive and in the mix for europe...Originally Posted by sbgawa
I agree with a lot of what you say, but it's Bohemian FC, football should be the main priority and all the community projects should come second. Every child in in DP got a Christmas gift but the football squad were left short of a centre back. I know the price of the gift won't buy a centre back, but if the same effort was put in to building the squad we wouldn't be in the position we are in after week one of the season.
While I've long been a critic of Bohs for putting everything else over football, surely the clubs DOF shouldn't be distracted by such matters? A huge part of his job is recruitment and he's made a mess of it in multiple windows now. I'm sure Bohs have a community officer or someone who looks after the other stuff? Buck stops with the manager and DOF for the state of the FT squad.
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Agree with what your saying. The way people go on in here you'd swear Fenlon and Devine were designing jerseys, wrapping gifts and delivering them. That's not the case. People pointing at a jersey and saying that's why there's no players signed is like seeing a 404 message when trying to load twitter and blaming twitters marketing department. Same company but very different roles.
Im pointing the finger at the membership! There is a warm fuzzy vibe going round and people patting themselves on the back for a job well done...on jerseys and promotional activity, but more than any club the Bohs model can demand answers to why aspect of the club do so well and the football club doesnt and at a very basic level. One may facilitate the other but Bohs are not operating on a pittance. Sligo seem to be and Drogheda are and both dont think that 2 centre halves are enough, nobody does and it has already backfired. Bohs being the butt of jokes on their holier than thou social conscience is not because that is a bad thing, it is because it has become a more impoartant metric on success than endeavours on the pitch. Long did wonders when Bohs didnt have a pot to pish in, Bohs fans bleat about how great the club has done to turn that around but to what benefit tof the FC. Fenlon is a very experienced football man, would he accept things if he was managing the side. Something is odd, with plenty of contradictions.
I dont buy that poor mouth stuff from Bohs,
Rovers average attendance was 2500 more than Bohs last year average revenue per ticket is around a tenner (load of kids season tickets) so thats 25000 per match addtional revenue times 18 = €450,000
Given the jersey sales they seem to be getting (im sure i heard 2 million mentioned) they should be closing that gap.
I think plucky underdog suits the narrative but its a cop out in my view.
I don't think anyone within the club has mentioned budget? The party line seems to be "trying to get better players in over just getting bodies in". I don't particularly buy that much either as you need bodies in before you can get better bodies in.
It's not "poor mouth stuff", it's we can't lose money like other clubs in the league can and get away with it anymore.
No time to be worrying about new centre backs with the Julian Assange extradition case going on
Hahaha
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Probably just as well U2 didn't play at dalymount or boez would have to find a way of having a star of david on their shirts.
In terms of the, frankly comical, lack of onfield success for boez in a decade , a fair minded man would point out that they were only a peno shootout and 2 cup final appearances away from trophy success so its not like their shels or anything- I'm not like that, obviously...
You are correct the DOF shouldn't be distracted by such matters, my point is, he or the Manager OR both should be held accountable for the signings to date or the lack of. Senior committee must have known the player situation prior to the season starting. I'm sure there were regular meetings to see how the toy thing was going at Christmas but probably no meetings on the player progress. Everyone in their on department is accountable for their job beit paid or voluntary. They must have told the senior committee some porkys, and that's if meetings ever took place. We are signing a good one next, oh he went somewhere else for 100 euro a month more or we couldn't sign him due to the housing crisis. For the sake of a few hundred euro get the man you want, don't make excuses. The housing crisis is the same for all Dublin clubs. I'm sure the wage difference for players does not differ by thousands. Rant over
Buck stops with Devine, he’s the team boss. Biggest ever budget, full time set up, top training facilities. No ****ing excuse this season, none. He was recommended several players by Fenlon and was either reluctant to sign them or moved too slow or in a couple of cases ignored the advice.
Didn't know that re: reluctant and or slow. I see we possibly have a Polish player/striker coming in from FC Imabari who I think are J League 3. Now we have strikers we'll bang in 4 goals a game, problem is we'll lose 5-4 because we've no defenders
If that's true (turning down players & acting too slowly) then Devine's leash may be shorter than it seemed at the start of the season. It's a bold strategy from him, let's see how it works out.
I don't think anybody expects them to do what we do.....but they aren't doing the basics on the football side. I like some of the other stuff and wouldn't mind if we released a few more jerseys to be honest. It wouldn't be as hypocritical for clubs without climate officers to do it either....But they are falling apart on the field. They aren't bridging any gaps at all. Since they've increased their budget and put in their DoF they've actually gone backwards. They were 2nd in 2020 and apparently all is rosy on the financial side yet they can't compete above 5th or 6th place now? Combining that with some of the more laughable social/community efforts (beehive painting and trad music cults for example) and they are setting themselves up for backlash from their own fans. You can see it bubbling on social media. It doesn't help that Lambert likes to be front and centre and I'm not sure he fully understands his own critics:
“You’re always going to have detractors, you’re always going to have people saying: ‘Why can’t we just be normal?’ There is a bit of that,” says Lambert.
Innovative
“If we don’t behave innovatively we might as well just sell the club. The members don’t want to sell the club. The merchandise is a way of being innovative.
“But we’re running out of gigs now,” he adds, laughing.
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soc...-what-32149463
I don't think people have a problem with the jerseys.......it's the team being put out in them that's the issue. They'll hammer us now in all 4 games of course.
21 leagues and 25 cups.
Filip Piszczek confirmed to Bohs. Listed as striker but I hope he can also play in defence...
Its taken me a while to realize that, strategically, we have the right plan. It is sound. Off the field, improve all income streams through innovation and social connection with the stated aim of sustainability and success on the field. However, as many rightly point out, as a football club it will all fall apart (already is falling apart) if you don't get the equivalent success on the pitch. So, I think this funk we are in is not so about a flawed strategy but more so is about holding people accountable to performance on the pitch.
Much like striving for commercial and social success and putting the right people in place off the pitch, holding people accountable to success on the football development and playing side is also the responsibility of the Board/President. Whether the recruitment issues are on Nutsy or Devine, I don't know for sure, but when it comes to winning games, that is on the manager and I do think that Devine can count himself lucky to have survived last season.
name like that is a bit of a p!sstake...
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