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    League of Ireland in Europe 2016

    Just having a quick look at the possible opponents for Dundalk in the Champions League, its probably the toughest lineup a LOI side can face, it just seems every year its getting harder and harder, although Dundalk's performances against BATE were admirable perhaps giving some optimism. Most leagues are not over and some are very tight but you would expect the usual better sides just to nick them. I guesstimated the 4 teams from Qualifying Round 1.

    Possible Seedings: [(-1)= Game in Hand]

    Club Nation Co-eff Status
    Salzburg Aut 42.520 6 Points Clear
    Celtic Sco 40.460 8 Points Clear
    APOEL Cyp 35.935 2 Points Clear
    BATE Borisov Bls 34.000 CHAMPIONS
    Legia Warsaw Pol 28.000 1 Point Clear
    Dinamo Zagreb Cro 25.775 4 Point Clear
    Ludogorets Bul 25.625 9 Points Clear (-1)
    København Den 24.720 7 Points Clear
    Maccabi Tel-Aviv Isr 20.225 2 Points Behind (-1)
    Qarabag Azb 13.475 13 Points Clear
    Rosenborg BK Nor 12.850 CHAMPIONS
    FK Astana Kaz 12.575 CHAMPIONS
    Skënderbeu Korçë Alb 7.825 6 Points Clear
    Red Star Belgrade Srb 7.175 15 Points Clear
    Dinamo Tbilisi Geo 5.875 11 Points Clear
    FH Hafnarfjardar Isl 5.750 CHAMPIONS
    Trencín Svk 5.400 9 Points Clear
    - - -
    The New Saints Wal 5.200 CHAMPIONS
    F91 Dudelange Lux 5.050 8 Points Clear
    Zalgiris Vilnius Lit 4.925 CHAMPIONS
    Olimpija Ljubljana Slo 4.625 2 Points Clear
    Valletta Mlt 4.466 5 Points Clear
    Dacia Chisinau Mol 4.325 Level (-1)
    Vardar Skopje Mac 4.200 5 Points Clear
    IFK Norrköping Swe 3.975 CHAMPIONS
    Ferencváros Hun 3.475 CHAMPIONS
    Crusaders Nir 3.400 8 Points Clear
    Flora Tallinn Est 3.350 CHAMPIONS
    Zrinjski Bos 3.125 Level
    FC Santa Coloma And 2.699 CHAMPIONS
    Dundalk Irl 2.590 CHAMPIONS
    Mladost Mon 2.475 8 Points Clear
    SJK Seinäjoki Fin 1.730 CHAMPIONS
    FK Liepaja Lat 1.075 CHAMPIONS

    The only thing that Dundalk fans could hope for is that Maccabi Tel-Aviv lose to Hapoel Be'er Sheva (4.725), meaning that The New Saints would be seeded. But that would be meaningless unless Maribor [Slo] (21.625) or Sheriff [Mol] (10.575) win their respective leagues
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    Yes, two weak teams winning in Finland and Sweden means they will both be unseeded, taking out a couple of the usual northern European opponents. Once again hoping that TNS can sneak into the seeds. Apart from that you'd think there's only 1 or 2 clubs Dundalk would have any chance against.

    I'm primarily thinking in terms of a nice trip........

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    Bookmark this. It will do the work for you.

    https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...E6GANv4hXH3YuQ

    Second tab is for the Europa League. Pats and Rovers to be seeded in QR1, but not in QR2. Cork unseeded throughout
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    Quote Originally Posted by seand View Post
    Yes, two weak teams winning in Finland and Sweden means they will both be unseeded, taking out a couple of the usual northern European opponents. Once again hoping that TNS can sneak into the seeds. Apart from that you'd think there's only 1 or 2 clubs Dundalk would have any chance against.

    I'm primarily thinking in terms of a nice trip........
    It's a nightmare list in terms of potential opponents, the handiest draw if TNS don't get in there is probably Celtic of all teams.
    Here on a technicality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dodge View Post
    Bookmark this. It will do the work for you.

    https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?...E6GANv4hXH3YuQ

    Second tab is for the Europa League. Pats and Rovers to be seeded in QR1, but not in QR2. Cork unseeded throughout
    Dodge you are a star, had last years one bookmarked but couldn't for the life of me find this years one, will be hours of enjoyment with this baby, cheers

    As for the CL, id fancy Dundalk against that team from Albania any day of the week, or the Icelandic team.......all depends on the draw though

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    The Albanians Skenderbeu have a massive amount of experience in Europe. They've won 3 CL ties and playing in the EL groups in the last 3 years. (They could get done by Partizan who would be unseeded but it looks unlikely) We'll probably be kept away from Albania anyway when it is 'regionally' grouped- in fact we'll probably be kept away from most of the seeds we might have had half a chance against (Albania, Serbia, Georgia, Slovakia). Hard to tell but we could well end up in a Northern European mini group with Celtic, BATE, Rosenborg, Levski, Copenhagen and FH. And draw BATE again, obviously.

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    The groups last time out were pretty good for Dundalk

    Year before Pats "regional" group was Romania, Croatia, Bulgaria, Poland, Azerbaijan and Finland
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    I didn't think UEFA grouped the CL Qualifiers by Region? Europa League/UEFA Cup always was (though last year was a complete mess so who knows what the process is anymore, one of the teams we could have been drawn against were Inter Baku of Azerbaijan).

    We drew a team from Cyprus in 2006, and Derry went to Armenia in 2007 though that was in a slightly different format. When they added that preliminary round in 2009 Bohs played Red Bull Salzburg. The recent second round ties have been geographically kind to Irish teams but in each year I can see at least one tie (not involving Irish teams) that can't be explained by Geographic grouping.
    2015/16 Molde (Norway) vs Pyunik (Armenia)
    2014/15 Stromsgodet (Norway) vs Steaua Bucherest (Romania)
    2013/14 Dinamo Tblisi (Georgia) vs EB/Streymur (Faroes)
    2012/13 AEL Limasol (Cyprus) vs Linfield (N.Ireland)

    Now it may be that the quirks of geography mean that in a given year there has to be one or two draws with teams on opposite sides of Europe and other than that they are loosely geographically based. Looking at it a little closer it does appear that from about 2011-12 on the Northern European teams were drawn against each other more frequently.

    I wish they would be more transparent on this to make it a little easier to plan for. I had figured out routes and hotels for just about every possible destination I thought we could get, and then they almost dropped Azerbaijan on us. If we had been sent to Azerbaijan we'd have been screwed for Visas.

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    It's not done officially in the CL. (Is it done officially in the EL?) You're drawing from a fairly small pot anyway- 34 teams in qualifying round 2- and you don't know what countries are going to provide the seeds. There might be no northern European seeds. While it is (or seems to be) informally regionalised there has to be flexibility to allow for geographical clumping of seeds or non-seeds. If UEFA want a roughly northern European group the likely seeds would be the champions of Belarus, Scotland, Iceland, Denmark, Poland and Norway. The possible nonseeds would come from Ireland north and south, Sweden, Finland, Wales, 3 Baltic states, Luxembourg and the first round qualifiers, so we're looking at an imbalance there already.

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    'European mini group with Celtic, BATE, Rosenborg, Levski, Copenhagen and FH

    Imagine what Ollie Horgan's positive outlook would be if it was actually Finn Harps in the potential pot above....

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    Look, we'll give it a go. We won't be found wanting for endeavour.

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    "Look, we'll give it a go. We won't be found wanting for endeavour.....they're much stronger than us, we will probably be hammered but sure look it we will turn up "...(or is that a bit too Buckly or JC)

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    http://m.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0503/785822-kosovo/

    Kosovan clubs now eligible to compete in European competition. You'd imagine that's another set of opponents our LOI clubs could beat. Good stuff.

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    Still possible that TNS (If they win in Q1 ) may be seeded.

    In Israel, Hapoel Be'er Sheva 5 points ahead of Maccabi with 2 games left.
    In Slovenia, Olimpija & Maribor are level on points with 3 games left.
    In Moldova, Sheriff & Dacia are level on points with 2 games left, They play each other on the final day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBoss View Post
    Still possible that TNS (If they win in Q1 ) may be seeded.

    In Israel, Hapoel Be'er Sheva 5 points ahead of Maccabi with 2 games left.
    In Slovenia, Olimpija & Maribor are level on points with 3 games left.
    In Moldova, Sheriff & Dacia are level on points with 2 games left, They play each other on the final day.
    Update.

    Its now down to 2 leagues as Olimpija won the Slovenian league.
    Hapoel Be'er Sheva are now only 2 points ahead of Maccabi with just 1 game left which is on Saturday.
    Sheriff & Dacia are still level on points, they face each other on the final day on Friday. If its a draw, they will have play each other again in a championship playoff!

    Quote Originally Posted by outspoken View Post
    http://m.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0503/785822-kosovo/

    Kosovan clubs now eligible to compete in European competition. You'd imagine that's another set of opponents our LOI clubs could beat. Good stuff.
    They actually could compete this season!

    http://www.uefa.org/mediaservices/newsid=2365958.html

    Regarding the integration of Kosovan clubs in the UEFA competitions 2016/17, the UEFA Executive Committee decided that the domestic champion and the domestic cup winner could be admitted to the first qualifying round of the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League respectively, only if they could meet licensing criteria under article 15 of the UEFA Club Licensing & Financial Fair Play regulations. This assessment will be made by the UEFA administration within the deadline of 31 May 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outspoken View Post
    http://m.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0503/785822-kosovo/

    Kosovan clubs now eligible to compete in European competition. You'd imagine that's another set of opponents our LOI clubs could beat. Good stuff.
    The holy grail of getting seeded in Q2 is probably needed to get such a draw. But if TNS are knocking on the door well it is certainly possible. This may be an obvious question or i've missed it somewhere - is it better to be in Q1 seeded and win the 2 legs to improve co-efficient than to go in to Q2 unseeded lose both legs and make little impact on the co-efficient. Seeing Crusaders ranked higher than Dundalk considering qualification for Europe in 2010/14/15 and this season which will hopefully produce results regardless of being unseeded. I guess 2010 has fallen off for this season? In the past if you entered European competition at a latter stage were co-eff points awarded as if you had won through the previous rounds or is that a myth? Similar with prizemoney, take your chance as a seeded side in Q1 accumulate winning the round and going in to Q2? All questions I am!

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    My understanding is that it used to be a case the a club gained coefficient points for winning matches, so you were better off starting in Q1, beating an Andorran team then winning home and losing away in Q2 than starting in Q3 and losing both games. Now you'll be better off starting in Q3 and losing home and away than winning 3 games in Q1 and Q2. From a coef point of view there's no benefit in winning thru Q1 to get into Q2- you're as well off starting in Q2. (Teams in Q1 will get extra prize money for playing in Q1 though, which just helps to ensure the likes TNS will romp through their leagues for the foreseeable future.)

    TNS have built up their coefficient by just being there every year over the last 5 years. Likewise Irish clubs (Dundalk, UCD) have been blessed enough to play seeded Luxembourgish teams that built up coefficient by qualifying fairly regularly.

    Match wins contribute to country coefficient though, which is a smaller component of club coefficient and which determines who starts in what round.

    All the above is subject to confusion and wrongness.

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    What effect would allowing the Kosovan champions into the QR1 have on the seeding for TNS? It would make an uneven number of clubs in that round so they would either have to give a bye to someone or drop a team back from the 2nd QR

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    Quote Originally Posted by seand View Post
    My understanding is that it used to be a case the a club gained coefficient points for winning matches, so you were better off starting in Q1, beating an Andorran team then winning home and losing away in Q2 than starting in Q3 and losing both games.
    That was never the case for qualification rounds. Since the introduction of the Europa League they have awarded club points based on the rounds that you exit it.

    Winning games/drawing games only ever effected the national rating (which now makes up 20% of the club rating)

    Bohs got 2 points for beating Kaiserslautern and Shels got a point for drawing with Lille. Until 2009, no other clubs had won club points

    I try to explain it here
    http://extratime.ie/newsdesk/article...icient-system/
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