Andy Reid(b 1982)

[Stuttgart88]

Today's Indo makes quite a bit of the fact that these pr1cks even were having a drinking session in the first place. You’ve got to ask the question if they were away with their clubs would they have done it.

[irishfan86]

To be honest I'm surprised by these vitriolic reactions Stutts.

I know that in this ultra-scientific era every dietary and fitness issue is scrupulously examined, but this incident was a post-match drink or two, a few days before a match.

This wasn't the night before, it was a couple of nights before a game.

I have no problem with the lads having a drink or two after a match.

Obviously if they're getting hammered the night before a game it's a different story, but I think calling these guys "pr1cks" for having a drink and a sing-song days before their next match is a bit much.

Ultimately, there's a big difference between having a drink or two, and getting hammered, and I'm not willing to assume that the latter happened without concrete proof.

[paul_oshea]

the indo has nothing better to do, a few drinks 4 nights before a game is not a bad thing.

In fact 10 lads together having a sing-song shows camraderie and is good for team bonding, is shows there is a togetherness amongst them.

[NeilMcD]

However when they are told to go to bed by the manager and 2 in the morning as they have work the next day, they should go to bed.

[Wheels]

Have a read of the Indo article. I think it's quite good. Makes the point that the SANCTIONED drinking session was just after physical exertion, which they say is not recommended by medical practicioners...

The article is quite critical of Trap. For allowing the drinking in the first place and also for his treatment of Reid and absence from games. I agree with a lot of it.

[paul_oshea]

Of course yes, going to bed by the curfew should be abided by.

Trap, I would say didn't actually realise that the irish players liked their drink, he said about beer all over the table. He obviouslly thought they would be singing with little alcohol comsumption and hence why he said it was like a pub and realises he shouldn't have given the go ahead in the first place. This is probably why he was so annoyed with Reid, as he saw him as an instigator, when he should be the first to bed, given the fact he wasn't in the team and should be trying to impress the manager. I would say that he was also upset with BRady as he was in the thick of it too and suggested reid to get the guitar out.

[NeilMcD]

Have a read of the Indo article. I think it's quite good. Makes the point that the SANCTIONED drinking session was just after physical exertion, which they say is not recommended by medical practicioners...

The article is quite critical of Trap. For allowing the drinking in the first place and also for his treatment of Reid and absence from games. I agree with a lot of it.

I think this is a better article by the great James Lawton.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...y-1551695.html

[dr_peepee]

It's a non-issue. Andy was out of Trap's first team plans long before this happened. Granted, when Steven Reid was there it wasn't as much of an issue as it is now but still I don't think he'd have done anything differently if this incident didn't happen.

I dunno... I reckon he would've started last week when Keane pulled out had their relationship (whatever it is) been better...

[jbyrne]

I know that in this ultra-scientific era every dietary and fitness issue is scrupulously examined, but this incident was a post-match drink or two, a few days before a match.

This wasn't the night before, it was a couple of nights before a game.

I have no problem with the lads having a drink or two after a match.

rumour has it that it was far more than "a drink or two". also, most gaa championship players in large stay off the sauce for the entire championship. if its advisable for amateurs surely its obligitory for professionals?

capello has introduced similar rules and strictness for england and look at their recent form compared to where they where under mcclaren. if they dont like it they can disappear. i go without lots of things so i can afford to follow the team so surely they can do what they are told while having the privilage to be on international duty

[tetsujin1979]

rumour has it that it was far more than "a drink or two". also, most gaa championship players in large stay off the sauce for the entire championship. if its advisable for amateurs surely its obligitory for professionals?

Limerick's team definitely didn't (and look what happened to them), and if the others are teetotal for the Championship, what are they like for the other months of the year?

[TheBoss]

I think that A Reid is an average player like most of the squad, I think people are over reacting about it, me personally, I would have him in the 22/23 man squad, but not a starter for me.

[paul_oshea]

to be honest tets, i even know club sides give up the drink for the season, or very rarely drink certainly around 2 weeks before a championship game would be the norm.

[Stuttgart88]

also, most gaa championship players in large stay off the sauce for the entire championship. if its advisable for amateurs surely its obligitory for professionals?

capello has introduced similar rules and strictness for england and look at their recent form compared to where they where under mcclaren. if they dont like it they can disappear. i go without lots of things so i can afford to follow the team so surely they can do what they are told while having the privilage to be on international duty

hear hear.

[dr_peepee]

I think that A Reid is an average player like most of the squad, I think people are over reacting about it, me personally, I would have him in the 22/23 man squad, but not a starter for me.

I think he's a very good player but a poor athlete and that ten or 15 years ago he'd have been a higher profile player than he is today. I keep going back to it on other threads and topics but Frank Lampard should be a role model for a hell of alot of players, esp Andy Reid...

[DeLorean]

I think he's a very good player but a poor athlete and that ten or 15 years ago he'd have been a higher profile player than he is today. I keep going back to it on other threads and topics but Frank Lampard should be a role model for a hell of alot of players, esp Andy Reid...

What about Lampard exactly? and what is Andy Reid not doing that he should start doing?

[Stuttgart88]

playing for Ireland?

[Stuttgart88]

One thing that Juande Ramos has rightly been given credit for is to get his players fitter & leaner. Tom Huddlestone lost lots of weight when Ramos arrived. Even Robbie Keane got in much better condition. Despite all the assurances about Reid's fitness and his weight I'd love to have seen how his physical condition and consequently his form would have fared under Ramos' regime.

I think Reid's problem is that the top clubs who feel they can afford the luxury of a playmaking midfielder can go out and buy the best available. The rest of the EPL feel they get results better by being physical and scrapping for points. The likes of Sunderland probably view Reid's type of player as a luxury, though it's clear to anyone watching that they're a better side when he plays.

[DeLorean]

playing for Ireland?

Ha, that'd be a good start alright I suppose!!

[DeLorean]

One thing that Juande Ramos has rightly been given credit for is to get his players fitter & leaner. Tom Huddlestone lost lots of weight when Ramos arrived. Even Robbie Keane got in much better condition. Despite all the assurances about Reid's fitness and his weight I'd love to have seen how his physical condition and consequently his form would have fared under Ramos' regime.

I think Reid's problem is that the top clubs who feel they can afford the luxury of a playmaking midfielder can go out and buy the best available. The rest of the EPL feel they get results better by being physical and scrapping for points. The likes of Sunderland probably view Reid's type of player as a luxury, though it's clear to anyone watching that they're a better side when he plays.

Maybe he'd be better suited to league on the continent. He's running out of English clubs anyway!!

[Stuttgart88]

I think he's a very good player but a poor athlete and that ten or 15 years ago he'd have been a higher profile player than he is today. I keep going back to it on other threads and topics but Frank Lampard should be a role model for a hell of alot of players, esp Andy Reid...

I agree with the first part and if I wasn't so prejudiced I'd possibly agree with the last part too! I thought Lampard was always vastly overrated pre-Mourinho but credit where it's due, he's been a really important player for Chelsea and his goals have been crucial. Lampard certainly has worked extremely hard on his game & on his condition. By all accounts he's a superb trainer who is very dedicated to hard work on technique etc. You can't knock that.

I do think that Lampard & Reid are very different types of player though. I maintain that if Lampard was in midfield for, say, Middlesbrough, he'd be far less influential. He certainly benefits from being surrounded by quality.