I'm not sure if this is one for 'World Football' or 'Current Affairs' as it crosses both spheres, but I'll just post it here. A mod can move it to 'Current Affairs' if he wishes.
Anyway, Mark Clattenburg; he's been accused of using "racial" language in relation to two Chelsea players during their game against Manchester United on Sunday. However, something I've noticed is that he hasn't been acused of using overtly or explicitly racist language. What exactly is "racial" language then and can it be seen as distinct from racist language? Is there a subtle distinction and is this important or should this matter? Is one more inappropriate than the other or are they both as bad as each other?
Referring to a player as, say, "the black/African/Nigerian lad" in order to distinguish him from a group of surrounding white players would presumably be construed as racial in nature, but is it overtly racist and to be viewed in the same light as derogatory slurs like "n*gger"? I'm not really sure. Context is important. It may not be the most sensible thing to say in a highly-charged and sensitive environment, but I'm not so sure I would classify it as racist, nor would I put it on a pedestal anywhere near the latter racist term. I'm not even sure the former phrase would be unequivocally inappropriate. Then again, that's not necessarily what Clattenburg is accused of having said. It'll be interesting to hear what Clattenburg is actually accused of having said. A part of me suspects that Chelsea may be making a bigger deal out of this than is warranted in order to tarnish the reputation of a referee they feel cost them an important game; otherwise why not accuse him of having used racist language?
If it was anything other than this I would be surprised.Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
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Apparently he called Mikel a cheeky monkey. I must racially abuse my goddaughter every day...
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Scumbag.
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What?! Are you serious???
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Are you seriously asking if I'm serious?
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There is absolutely nothing racist about that term. It's an extremely popular phrase used in England that has absolutely no racial connotations whatsoever.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
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Yeah. Good one. Educate yourself yank.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
Good idea, I think I'll grab my dictionary
sarcasm (plural sarcasms)
1.(uncountable) A form of humor that is marked by mocking with irony, sometimes conveyed in speech with vocal over-emphasis. Insincerely saying something which is the opposite of one's intended meaning, often to emphasize how unbelievable or unlikely it sounds if taken literally, thereby illustrating the obvious nature of one's intended meaning.
2.(countable) An act of sarcasm.
From Late Latin sarcasmus, from Ancient Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmos, "a sneer"), from σαρκάζειν ("gnash the teeth (in anger), literally, to strip off the flesh"), from σάρξ (sarks, "flesh").
/ˈsɑːkęzəm/
Synonyms: derision, facetiousness, irony, ridicule, satire
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Nice try but we all know Americans don't do sarcasm.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
You projecting your stereotypes and prejudices will do nothing to help your cause in this thread and the tribunal that is likely to follow.
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Ooh ye cheeky monkey.
I like high energy football. A little bit rock and roll. Many finishes instead of waiting for the perfect one.
I see that Chelsea supporter has been arrested now. Similar incident happened at Anfield last season in the FA Cup match against Man U and the supporter was arrested and rightly done over it.
A Manchester United supporter was also arrested around the same time in a home match against Stoke. There was no real media coverage at all over the incident.
Lets talk about six baby
So, the Metropolitan Police have dropped their inquiry citing no evidence of an offence having been committed whilst Chelsea/the FA have been accused of a cover-up for failing to send the alleged victims forward: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20319926 and http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20321225
Or perhaps Chelsea, deep down, didn't feel their accusation merited a criminal investigation?...
Nice twist, this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20454854
Referees' union Prospect has demanded that Chelsea apologise to Mark Clattenburg and compensate him after he was cleared of making a racist remark.
The Blues claimed Clattenburg, 37, used "inappropriate language" towards their midfielder John Obi Mikel.
The FA has now cleared the referee and Chelsea accepted the decision.
Prospect chief Alan Leighton called for "a full and unreserved apology and compensation for loss of earnings, damage to reputation and stress."
If Chelsea don't get done for this is some manner, it's an absolute crime. They got annoyed over some bad decisions and threw a hissy fit.
Author of Never Felt Better (History, Film Reviews).
You'd hope that Chelsea would get hammered for making yet another false allegation against a ref.
But in this case, Chelsea fc managed to get themselves into the position where they are just passing on an allegation from a player, to the FA for examination.
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