Originally Posted by redobit
What if we get one of those independent reviews of our finances like Sligo got to calm fears? Could Rovers fans sort that our for us like they did for them?
Good to see he is building from the bottom up Jofspring. It could be a very worth while project.
In fairness Dodge I would have thought O'Sullivans intentions were fairly clear.
I suppose like any business ventre it will come down to a couple of things. The willingless to see the project through and more importantly the depth of the developers pockets. If Pat has both, then Limerick could become a real force in the long term. We wait and see...
Manager: Fergal, have you your boots with ya?
Fergal: Ya, I have them here.
Manager: Ah good stuff, well give them to this man so, he forgot his!
In today's local Pat says he will not be splashing the cash next season on players as he feels we have a strong enough squad to play football in the premier. He mentions players will only come in if they have something really special to offer and any aditional sponsorhip money and support that comes in will not be blown on players. He also says we don't want to end up like the last 4 clubs that have gone out of existence.
We need to strengthen our back line especially centre half position we are very weak with zero pace a winger and a striker needed aswell.
Ya we definitely need a few new faces I just don't think there will be an overhaul like some people would expect with an owner pumping money into a club.
As far as pace is concerned we seem to have some very good 19's and I'd like to see them get there chance.
Who owns the rest? Do the fans own a share?
LEDP as in Limerick Enterprise Development Partnership, so what ever is developed will be theirs? Will the club have to pay rent to LEDP for use of the facility?
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Spingal had all sorts of teams, deaf teams, blind teams, womens, underage, they had loads going on, until they didnt.
.a private equity fund that invest principally in the healthcare, technology, property, media and leisure sectors. They are also engaged in stocks and real estate. They have offices in Jersey, London and Dublin
How does that sound? Fairly reputable company there you would think. And all the above was promised as well ....
Hey if it happens then brilliant, until it happens, then exploit the good vibe around Limerick and form a supporters trust for yourselves.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Pat may even own 100%of the club, I wouldn't know the specific details to be honest.
Ya that's the LEDP. JP is the one behind them. One of the reasons it was bought in their name is so down the line the club cannot use the ground towards wages etc... And run up debt against it. As far as I know the club will be paying rent, whether that is a minimal charge I don't know.
The markets field is to be used for other codes too and not just soccer. We will basically be the anchor tenants if you will.
Fingal still have a special Olympics team.
http://www.limerickfc.ie/special-oly...ting-fingal-fc
Fingal were always dodgy though, no past history, little support, going up against some historic clubs in Dublin for fans, pumping ridiculous money in wages to a whole squad of top LOI players and to top it off they were relying on a property developer that despite getting in trouble himself financially still kept pumping money he didn't have into the first team. They didn't try build a club, they tried to build a franchise over night by throwing money at it in the hope of instant success.
If we finish anywhere near mid table next season with averages near 1,500 fans I will see that as good progression and something to continue building on.
Last edited by Jofspring; 10/10/2012 at 2:01 PM.
If? Most of the stuff mentioned by Jobspring has happened.
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I'd say 1500 is a bit much if ye are only mid table, and mid table is a bit much if Scully is your manager given his record against remotely decent football teams.
Mid table involves losing/drawing a lot of games, (its not remotely fun, though I'm sure after that last couple of decades that is something your hardcore are more than comfortable) and the passing fan isn't interested in a team that isn't winning regularly.
Secondly, while Mr. O'Sullivan talks a good game and sounds confident I still don't see ye playing in Markets Field anywhere near the start of the season. Too much slippage in terms of dates it will be ready, ye were to be in there for the start of this season, then oh we can wait til next year cos we're in the first maybe even have it ready for the end of this season, and here we are in October and planning still hasn't been submitted. Someone mentioned that the fact that it hasn't been submitted yet means if no one complains ye still wouldn't make the start of the season and you can guarantee someone will. My money is on the closest GAA team.
So assuming you start the season in Jackman park thats one opportunity lost in terms of winning over new fans, something for the locals to get excited about (look at Tallaght for a good example, though most likely on a different scale). On top of that while Premier Division teams will bring you more of an away crowd they don't bring massive numbers on a regular basis. You will get some who willbe interested in seeing a new ground, again that would be multiplied for Markets Field. many fans will not want to visit Jackman, because its horrible. Shamrock Rovers fans kicked up a fuss over teh facilities in Turners Cross and while they had some legitmate concerns I think its safe to say Turners Cross offers a better experience for the away fan than Jackman Park.
You will get increased home crowds for the likes of Shamrock Rovers and possibly Sligo as champions, but many teams won't bring hundreds upon hundreds to Limerick. Shamrock Rovers always travel well, but no one else generally bring more than a couple of hundred fans to Cork, Sligo last week excepted, though they brought about 30 for the previous game when they weren't looking like absolute certs for the league.
1500 would put you ahead of (mid table) Derry, Bohs, Shels and title challenging Pats. In a championship season your average is 677, Shels in a similar but more exciting season last year reached 781 last year and are now only at 1200, in a much better stadium than Jackman Park. They also, you'd imagine do well as so many clubs don't have so far to travel to get to Tolka, something our clubs don't benefit from.
Get into Markets field and I'd revise my prediction, but I'd be surprised if ye top 1100 next season. I actually think I'm being overly optimistic there. Play the full season in Jackman and I'd say 900.
The schoolboy/academy section is self sufficient and nothing to do with the senior team per se.
The ground was bought in trust by JP McManus for the use of Limerick senior football. Which is fairly common knowledge tbh.
LOL, wut?!
And here, in a nutshell, is everyones concerns.
A man who thinks the closest GAA team (who play over the hills and far away from the Markets Field fwiw) are going to object to the JPDome.
Absolutely clueless. And I genuinely mean no offence there, how could you be expected to half a clue, you're not from Limerick, you're just idly speculating on an internet forum.
Like all the other idle speculators in here.
If Limerick aren't in in March it'll be because the plans have changed.
On the crowds next season, I'd be well pleased with a 900 average.
BTW Fingal aren't the worst case scenario for anything. They left without owing a penny to any creditors (inc players etc)
All they were missing was a fanbase. Something limerick teams should be OK with
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Fair enough 1,500 may be a little bit optimistic but never underestimate the Limerick bandwagon. We averaged 677 in a division with pretty much no traveling support, despite winning the league we were brutal in the majority of games at home and the the opposition was nowhere the calibre of whats in the premier but people still managed to come out.
That's pretty much exactly what I said in the Markets Field thread in our own section.Secondly, while Mr. O'Sullivan talks a good game and sounds confident I still don't see ye playing in Markets Field anywhere near the start of the season. Too much slippage in terms of dates it will be ready, ye were to be in there for the start of this season, then oh we can wait til next year cos we're in the first maybe even have it ready for the end of this season, and here we are in October and planning still hasn't been submitted. Someone mentioned that the fact that it hasn't been submitted yet means if no one complains ye still wouldn't make the start of the season and you can guarantee someone will. My money is on the closest GAA team.
I don't think any Limerick FC fan would disagree with you there.So assuming you start the season in Jackman park thats one opportunity lost in terms of winning over new fans, something for the locals to get excited about (look at Tallaght for a good example, though most likely on a different scale). On top of that while Premier Division teams will bring you more of an away crowd they don't bring massive numbers on a regular basis. You will get some who willbe interested in seeing a new ground, again that would be multiplied for Markets Field. many fans will not want to visit Jackman, because its horrible. Shamrock Rovers fans kicked up a fuss over teh facilities in Turners Cross and while they had some legitmate concerns I think its safe to say Turners Cross offers a better experience for the away fan than Jackman Park.
Play the full season in Jackman and I would definitely say around 900 average maximum.Play the full season in Jackman and I'd say 900.
I knew there was some correlation between a new team in a new area and a team from a city which has put a League Of Ireland team on the field for the last 75 unbroken years.
There simply had to be when everyone kept comparing them.
It turns out the answer is not running up debts.
Thanks Dodge.
Just saying that we believed everything that Arkaga said as well at the start, they were an invertment companies who's portfoilo was mainly health industry and education. It was all good news, and they were spending money.
The best thing our club has ever done was start a supporters trust.
The SFAI are the governing body for grassroots football in Ireland, not the FAI. Its success or the lack of is all down to them.
Not everyone is as thick as Cork fans...
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