Emmet Malone in the Irish times has an article here outlining 15 examples of what he calls player differences, or falling foul, in Trap's eyes.
I know there are threads for individual players and the incidents(or non-incidents) have been discussed there, but I thought this might be a good thread for discussing the topic in more detail.
Here are a few excerpts:
1 Stephen Ireland
The then Manchester City midfielder was an inherited problem in the wake of his infamous “Grannygate” departure from the squad during Steve Staunton’s time in charge but an attempt at a rapprochement didn’t go well and the player’s public criticism of Trapattoni afterwards for supposedly taking numerous calls on various different mobile phones sealed the Corkman’s fate. Much stronger club form just might change things but as they stand, more forgiving international managers that the 73-year-old Italian might well regard him as more trouble than he’s worth.7 Anthony Stokes
Another to have been accused at one time or another of poor attitude during his underage days, the Dubliner withdrew from the squad for the end-of-season games against Northern Ireland, Scotland, Macedonia and Italy last year because, he apparently said, he was tired. Trapattoni effectively threw his eyes up to heaven and pushed on without the talented but hugely erratic Celtic player.People who are more up-to-date than I am about injuries and so on can comment on the accuracy of the other entries, but the piece about Duff stood out for me. What player difference is highlighted there? It seems that Duff decided to retire, despite Trap trying to convince him to continue. I'm not sure how Duff is falling foul of anything.12 Damien Duff
The Fulham player was unequivocally positive about the manager in interviews given after he announced his decision to retire from international football, coming across as both liking and respecting the Italian who, he said, could not have done more to keep him on board. Others disagreed and Trapattoni has been obliged to suggest that he will meet the Dubliner during the coming weeks in an attempt to change his mind.
He's trying to outdo Don Givens.
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Shoddy journalism. Lots of them (Ireland, Stokes etc.) are completely of the players own making, others (Duff, Treacy) are non-stories, simply made to appear more sinister. At this stage we'll have the media saying Trap has some issue with Gary Dicker for not calling him up.
However, it does show that the media has turned on Trap, and we're going to see a Kerr-style witchhunt over the next few months.
Yeap, must have been a slow news day;Diarmo has nailed it I reckon.
Bang on Diarmo. The Shay Given one too is nothing more than speculation. And if there was no warmth in the relationship, so what? Also suggests there's a discipline problem with Clark when it's far more likely he's just low down the pecking order. Wise up Malone.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
The media and some fans alike are desperate to manufacture a scandal out of a non-existent "communications problem", as if to suggest the wheels are about to fall off the cart, Trap has lost the dressing room and the players are on the brink of revolt. I just read this over on YBIG, for example: http://www.ybig.ie/communication-sca...1.75.blog.html
It's all a load of overblown nonsense, but, unfortunately, people allow this stuff to influence their feelings towards the current set-up. When it's bombarding them left, right and centre, mind you, I suppose it's hard to avoid. Even sensible posters here are expressing fears about the whole set-up unravelling.
Trap's English may be suspect, which is what the writers of these silly stories are only too glad to exploit, but that doesn't mean we can lazily lump a bunch of unrelated occurrences together (to cast a gloomier outlook) and attribute blame for every player issue to Trap (if even some of these "examples" Malone raises are issues!), nor does it mean he cannot command the team's respect. Every manager will naturally have positive and negative interactions with players who want to see action; these interactions form a fundamental part of the manager's job. When there are only 11 places to fill, you can't keep everyone happy, nor is it Trap's duty to keep everyone happy either, to be honest. Discipline is crucial. If a player wants to sulk because he disagrees with Trap's way, that's not Trap's fault. By the way, I'm not even referring to any one specific incident here; just speaking generally as I've sensed the foundations are being set for the witch hunt of which Diarmo warns. I'll have a more thorough read through what Malone has written in a while and see what I make of it.
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 06/09/2012 at 9:07 AM.
Sadly, I fear this is not mere "slow news day" material. There's an anti-Trap agenda at play here.Originally Posted by ArdeeBhoy
Surprise, surprise - Dan McDonnell's on it too. Seems to suggest because the players didn't jump over Gibson - a friend and colleague - they agree with him. What a nonsense. As if any player would condemn him considering he may be back in the future...
I'm also sick an tired of the likes of Stephen Ireland, Andy Reid, even Steven Reid, being brought up as if they're slam dunks for the squad - Ireland's a nutcase, Andy's been out of form for years and Steven was injured, then retired and now appears to be a career right-back. People may disagree we couldn't use them, but it's nowhere near cast iron.
Ou-est le Centre George Pompidou?
Did other players come out and condemn Stephen Ireland or Anthony Stokes? Of course not. Footballers play football; they don't bitch about one another in the media. And passivity certainly cannot be interpreted one way or the other here. We can't just assume the players believe Gibson is right because they haven't said anything to the contrary. Careless presumptuousness from McDonnell, although I suspect he knows exactly what he's doing.
Entirely unfair comment. Gibson's being terribly foolish and immature. Even his pal, O'Dea, whilst offering sympathy, said he wouldn't do what he did. Given is 36 and wishes to prolong his club-career (In fact, he was benched by Villa last week). Trap can do little about that. Duff stated that Trap very nearly convinced him to stay on despite his deeply-held intentions, so hardly a valid criticism of Trap's communication skills there; a compliment to them, if anything. I don't even know why McDonnell's mentioning (as SVD highlights) retired/injury-riddled/bit-part WBA right-back Steven Reid, and worse, Stephen Ireland, whose been self-exiled since before Trap even took over! It's a case of making lazy, lazy associations in an attempt to erect Trap's "portfolio of shame".
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 06/09/2012 at 9:50 AM.
It's ridiculous, all this, actually! I can't believe the spectre of Stephen Ireland - once the Irish sporting media's hate figure; a man who could do no right - is now being used as a bat with which to beat Trap, as if Ireland has been right all along and his exclusion has always somehow been Trap's fault. How fickle and disingenuous the media can be... The fact is that Stephen Ireland simply doesn't want to play international football; nothing Trap (and Liam Brady) could have done about that.
The comment about Duff really does sicken me, he made it as clear as he could that his retirement had nothing to do with Trapattoni, or the performance in the Euros, and that the manager could not have done more to convince him not to retire, yet it's still suggested that another manager would still have him available?
Sadlier, McDonnell, Malone, Fanning and a number of other drinking buddies are all singing from the same hymn sheet. The Indo are leading the charge with their anti-O'Brien bile. The others are sheep. Communication problems, even the mumbling John Giles came up with this at the behest of Newstalk. Sick of this, it's been the same since Jack Charlton was no longer soup of the day. Our meeja are a disgrace.
Where was this?
EDIT: Sorry, thought you were referring to the IT article - you were talking about something else.
Last edited by osarusan; 06/09/2012 at 10:08 AM.
The media talk rubbish. Surely that's not 'news' in any shape or form...
OK, afford me a bit of hyperbole in order to make a heated point.
McDonnell suggested it's entirely reasonable to expect that a manager other than Trap would have Stephen Ireland at his disposal. That's not reasonable at all. Ireland is a self-exile and was a self-exile before Trap even took over. Trap and Brady attempted to persuade him back but Ireland was having none of it. They didn't have to bother meeting him in person. The lad simply hasn't been interested in international football for his own personal reasons, despite recent rumblings that he may be on the verge of reconsidering. Besides, if he did have a gripe with Trap, why would he express that he may be open to a return in the near future?
His inclusion in the bizarre Malone list would insinuate that Stephen Ireland is part of some general Trapattoni problem that has been "rumbling on" for quite some time now. Malone does say that other more forgiving managers "might well regard [Ireland] as more trouble than he's worth", but the general purpose of that piece, with Ireland's inclusion as someone who's supposedly taken issue with Trap in a way that justifies making a big deal out of it, is to manufacture a portfolio of shame by which to attack Trap. It appears like an attempt to paint the picture that Trap is generally at fault for a number of loosely and lazily connected issues and non-issues due to some over-riding character or communicational flaw simply by virtue of being a common denominator. He's a "common denominator" because he's the team manager who, as a fundamental aspect of his role, has to deal with all sorts of player issues. They can't just be casually lumped together to push an agenda and, as Johnny Giles would say, must be judged on their own merits.
Saw this posted in the comments section below Malone's piece:
A few players mentioned by Malone appear to be missing, but it mostly speaks sense to counter much of Malone's rubbish. Was that someone from here?
Last edited by DannyInvincible; 06/09/2012 at 11:00 AM.
The Duff thing is just odd.
What was Clark's alleged disciplinary issue?
This is the Irish Times journalism in a nutshell. Ignore what the player says and reference these unnamed "others" to support your claims. It's incredible they'd still report a claim when the player himself has flat out dismissed there being a problem. It continues to be highly ironic how the Irish medias evidence of Traps poor communication channels is littered with inaccuracies, guesswork and miscommunications.
I might be going mad and making this up (call me up, Irish Times!) but I seem to remember murmurings of some sort of indiscretion on Clark's part last year. I can't for the life of me remember what though. When was the last squad he was called up for?
The Duff one is weird. I fear Hunt might just be past it.
exactly. how can anyone blame trap for communication problems with Gibson, for example, when Gibson told a fib when he pulled out of the Serbia friendly by claiming he was injured when in fact he had no intention of turning up again?
many of these players who have alleged problems with Trap have told many fibs and half truths in many cases. How is any manager in any walk of life supposed to deal with this behavior??
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