QuoteHere's a pretty extreme negative view on last night's game
http://euro2012.irishexaminer.com/an...ht-198999.html
No, that game was dull. Like Trap's football, with a lot more skill. But essentially dull.
Unless Spain play with strikers, hope the Deutsch come out on top in the next 2 games. And do it with flair.
Here's a pretty extreme negative view on last night's game
http://euro2012.irishexaminer.com/an...ht-198999.html
Originally Posted by geysir
The first penalty missed last night is not at odds with those statistics.
Those stats go up to 2006.
The missed first penalties from last night would be part another batch of statistics, which may or may not read different to the stats I posted
A cricket aficionado (and I am not one) would tell you that a penalty shoot out is not cricket. A cricket commentator would be baffled trying to make head or tail out of what transpires at the end of a drawn semi final. The batting order in a game of cricket is based on certain principles which do not necessarily apply to a penalty shoot out.
Offhand I don't know if there is any particular outstanding approach a team uses towards penalty shoot outs. I certainly have no definite opinions, just an interest. I only suggested a reason as to why Ronaldo went for the 5th one. i don't know why he did, but I doubt if it was that he picked the 5th straw
Does a team generally put out their established top penalty taker first, in a penalty shoot out?
Of course you are assuming that the people who decide the batting order in cricket know what they are talking out.
I think you will frequently find in like that the people who decide such thing know feck all about feck all and are simply their because of who they know.
Last edited by tricky_colour; 28/06/2012 at 4:41 PM.
tricky, it grows darker still for you I see, do you have some tales of misfortune from your time wicketing perhaps? Unburden yourself man.
Depends on how you define a good batsman, these are the players considered least likely to miss, ie get themselves out.
There is some difference in cricket though because the ball and the conditions change.
The open batsmen generally face the fastest bowling.
If you don't put your best men in here, well you might be 8 wickets down for about 30 runs.
Likewise promoting tail enders up the order might seem like an good idea to protect a better
batsman, but it does not look so clever when the are bowled out and the higher order batsman
has to bat that evening anyway.
To me it looked like they marked up to cut out passes, I noticed they did not directly mark the wide men, we didn't either
but the difference is they got close enough to their wide men to make a pass to them dangerous, we didn't we left them
plenty of room.
I think someone else said they only marked 2 of their central three, but it may be more the case they marked
such that midfield passing was difficult.
But ultimately if you have better players you will do better whatever system you use.
The "thread count whoring" cold turkey has kicked in with a bite.
It's going a bit rough for you Tricky? Just another 6 days to go, will you survive? will we survive?
Well I have survived so far.
I have an account on the YBIG forum now anyway so if you are missing me you will find me and (some of) my threads
over there, see if you can spot me
Last edited by tricky_colour; 28/06/2012 at 6:08 PM.
So Italy V Germany, Germany are strong favourites but historically Germany do badly against Italy W0 L3 D4
However I am still struggling to make a case for Italy after drawing with England, however they should have won that
match, so maybe that is the case, they will get a bit of luck an nick it?
Gonna watch the first 10 minutes before deciding on whether to have a small flutter on them though.
Actually I put a small bet on before I started on Italy at 4.5 (7/2)
Be interesting to see if Germany do any better than us!!!
My new forum name is Bally O Telly by the way!!
Seems a good choice now!!
Ah we are as bad a Germany.
So, after all of the hysteria about our performance, it seems we didn't achieve anything in a group containing the two form teams in Europe.
You can't spell failure without FAI
Shame Germany got one back we can't say we are as bad as Germany now, however Italy could have had a couple more.
We may not be as bad as some think.
So the two finalists came from our group just like they did in '88. Unlike in '88, however, we failed to really compete in any match and were pretty much disgracefully awful for probably 240/270 minutes of play.
Last edited by theworm2345; 28/06/2012 at 8:47 PM.
My Guarantee
Am looking for old Irish matches on VHS, PM me if you have some and I'll upload them here
I don't think it's fair to compare this team to the one from 88, when the finals were much smaller, and so just by qualifying Ireland proved itself a much better side than the current team; of course we could compete - just like any of the quarter-finalists this year could compete.
You can't spell failure without FAI
Well it's still better to look rubbish against the finalists than teams which went out in the quarter finals, every team goes through a bad spell where it plays bad and gets a bit of bad luck, OK we may not be world beaters but then again we may not be quite as bad as some think.
Last edited by tricky_colour; 28/06/2012 at 10:42 PM.
We're easily better the 4th best team in the tournament considering Croatia might have made the semis had they made it out of the group as they were easily better than the losing quarter-finalists. Tongue in check of course
If we were drawn in Group A or D, we still might not have made it out of the group but probably would have gotten a few points.
"Jacques Santini...will be greeted in every dugout of the country by "one-nil, one-nil" - Clive Tyldsley, 89th minute of France-England June 13, 2004.
"Ooooohhhh Nooooooo" Bobby Robson 91st minute.
I think the 1/4 finals were lopsided, the top 4 are in the clear. I'd put Croatia in 5th place, ahead of any of the losing 1/4 finalists.
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