Statheads - how are we treating Cork?

**Dodge** · 28/04/2011, 9:38 AM

Are we treating the current Cork City as Cork City (2009)? Or are they being considered a continuation of the 1984 club? What happens the FORAS stats then?

Doesn't matter too much to me yet as Pats haven't played them yet but I'd go with Cork City (2009)

Any thoughts?*

**El-Pietro** · 28/04/2011, 10:32 AM

no idea why you'd call us 2009. the change happened in 2010

We're considering ourselves Cork City FC as a continuation of the team formed in 1984, as are the FAI. The rest of you can do as you please. Little difference between what happened in 2010 and the mid 90s except it was messier.

Same thing has happened to most LOI clubs. Rovers, Waterford who claim to have been formed in 1932 (and not 1980 despite a name change), the various incarnations of Limerick - who claim to have been formed in 1937

list goes on an on, whats different about us and Derry for example?

**WoodquayBoy** · 28/04/2011, 10:41 AM

I'm with El Pietro, for me it is Cork City from 1984, just as it is the Derry City from 1928. I know the FAI are treating them as the new entities judging by their preseason guide which removed all history, including leagues and cups wins, from the club details, but for me, they are the clubs that have been around since 84 and 28 respectively

**A face** · 28/04/2011, 11:27 AM

Everything changed and everything stayed exactly the same

Its Cork City FC which was est. 1984 ... anything else is bull .... everyone knows that

**Dodge** · 28/04/2011, 11:51 AM

So what was FORAS?

**pineapple stu** · 28/04/2011, 11:52 AM

A group that ran the club. Don't see the big hang-up with differentiating between a club and the company/organisation that owns/runs the club.

**Candystripe** · 28/04/2011, 12:33 PM

Dodge, wait til the Harps fans see this thread!

Just for the record I see this Derry team the same as well.

**Mr A** · 28/04/2011, 1:21 PM

Just use the asterisk of shame on them, that'll cover it.

**Dodge** · 28/04/2011, 1:24 PM

Think it was more the change of name, crests and colours that made me think Cork was a different club

Never saw Derry as a separate club BTW

**TheBoss** · 28/04/2011, 1:31 PM

In my opinion, they are different clubs, the previous was wound up and therefore do not exist.

Cork City were finally wound up shortly after 2pm this afternoon. The club, which failed to gain a Premier League licence last night, had sought yet another extension on a winding-up order but were turned down at the High Court. source: http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...265050795.html

FORAS bought the rights from the former and are entitled to use the trademarks etc.

**sullanefc** · 28/04/2011, 1:43 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Think it was more the change of name, crests and colours that made me think Cork was a different club

Never saw Derry as a separate club BTW

Cork City home Colours:
Green & White hoops - 84/89
White home jersey - 89/93 & 95/97
Pyjama kit - 93/95
Red kit - 95/02
Green kit 03/present

Cork City have also changed their crest on numerous occasions over the past 27 years. Are they all different clubs too Dodge? Which "clubs" stats did you use up to now?

Edit: Now that I think of it, Bohs played in an all black kit a few years ago. Were they a different club? And I'm pretty sure that Set Piece Athletic have had different hues of red down through the years.

Are you really saying that when a club changes its colours or crest then it as a different club?

**SkStu** · 28/04/2011, 2:18 PM

what a stupid thread.

1) who gives a toss?

2) who gives a toss?

**sullanefc** · 28/04/2011, 5:00 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

what a stupid thread.

1) who gives a toss?

2) who gives a toss?

Dodge does. He has a CCFC fetish.

**SkStu** · 28/04/2011, 5:06 PM

Originally Posted by sullanefc

Dodge does. He has a CCFC fetish.

i thought most Pats fans had habits...

**A face** · 28/04/2011, 5:29 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Think it was more the change of name, crests and colours that made me think Cork was a different club

The crest issue was always rumbling on since the 90's and became more of an issue in the 00's because Cork city council were pushing it more. It doesn't matter which group were running the club or what company had to be wound up while doing so, that issue would always have had to be addressed.

**A face** · 28/04/2011, 5:30 PM

Originally Posted by SkStu

i thought most Pats fans had habits...

Hee hee

**total hoofball** · 28/04/2011, 5:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Are we treating the current Cork City as Cork City (2009)? Or are they being considered a continuation of the 1984 club? What happens the FORAS stats then?

Doesn't matter too much to me yet as Pats haven't played them yet but I'd go with Cork City (2009)

Any thoughts?*

New club = new stats. Same for Derry City and Limerick. Everything else can be claimed in a spiritual sense as far as I'm concerned.

**sullanefc** · 28/04/2011, 6:08 PM

Originally Posted by total hoofball

New club = new stats. Same for Derry City and Limerick. Everything else can be claimed in a spiritual sense as far as I'm concerned.

Same City, same fans, same name = same stats.

**Dodge** · 28/04/2011, 6:40 PM

Really didn't realise it was such an issue with Cork fans. Nice little bonus peeing off a couple of you.

Seriously though, 'Twas a genuine question

(Oh and for the record, the very best Cork statisticians (Dave Galvin and Gerry Desmond) always considered Waterford adn Waterford United seperata clubs, wonder how they treat Cork).

**sullanefc** · 28/04/2011, 6:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Really didn't realise it was such an issue with Cork fans. Nice little bonus peeing off a couple of you.

Seriously though, 'Twas a genuine question

(Oh and for the record, the very best Cork statisticians (Dave Galvin and Gerry Desmond) always considered Waterford adn Waterford United seperata clubs, wonder how they treat Cork).

You didn't pee off anyone. Just surprised that you would post such nonsense. Then again, its one way to get to 20,000.