QuoteMr P,
None of us are on the board of
a)Wellvan
b)DCFC Ltd
Therefore we can't provide definitive answers to any of the questions you pose.
Promises, promises..... and now deflection, deflection....but yes all parties are in pocession of all documents...though that has nothing to do with my comment.Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Mr P,
None of us are on the board of
a)Wellvan
b)DCFC Ltd
Therefore we can't provide definitive answers to any of the questions you pose.
Funny though that you can provide answers when it suits......
I can provide an answer, is it right?
Did your Chairman not state at one of your supporter meetings That if you get a first division licence that he had been reassurred that they would be allowed to compete in the Setanta. Would he just make that up?
Mr Parker, I think you are barking up the wrong tree with MK.
He was one of a very small group of people that was extremely vocal about the previous Derry board and their spending. He was vilified for it in certain quarters.
He, like you now, was also just looking for answers.
Derry City should not be in the Setanta Cup. I think that the majority are in agreement with that.
Whatever about the 5k owed from the previous Derry board, Linfield were 100% within their rights to refuse to play this game.
The systematic lying, cheating and writing off of huge amounts of money that they owed has been one of the major scandals we've ever had in domestic football.
On the back of that, its extremely churlish of a section of the Derry support to say Linfield are now using this an excuse to pull out of the Setanta Cup.
Read the article from the Belfast Tele. They gave more reasons than that i.e. the fact that the prize money has been considerably reduced and it could cost teams money to participate being a major one.
The finger pointing from some of the Derry lads on here towards Linfield is breathtaking.
He was "reassured" was he?
I'll check the audio but that ain't the phrase I remember used.
Is anybody fully clear on what is happening at Derry ? LOI clubs in recent years have folded the holding company and carried on claiming the LOI entitlements earned by the previous entity - Shams, Drogs and Cork (poss) so on that basis the "NEW" Derry could well claim to be entitled to take up where the old entity left off (including participation in the SETANTA Cup). The issue of relegation/ licence withdrawn is a seperate issue and not necessarily involved in the SETANTA competition (solely a disiplinary issue involving the FAI). If alternatively the club ceased to exist then how can they get a 1st Div license ? Can FORAS or any other applicant get the same dispensation ?
Not sturring here, and I stated previously I do not think they should continue in the SETANTA but am honestly at a loss regarding the club status.
MB,
In all those cases the clubs went into examinership- but the companies were all "saved" by investors.
Wellvan Enterprises, which was the trading company for DCFC is in administration(UK equivalent of examinership) but no one has any intention of saving it. Therefore a new limtied company has been formed.
Fundamentally different from the three cases you mention.
Cheers MK. still not sure of status of the football side and am unclear why they would not be eligible for SETANTA (leaving aside moral argument) and if there is no connection with old football entity then should they not start in A League* ?
*(think you guys suffered enough, but just asking)
I agree he was one of the few who was vocal about the previous board and most of the rest of us hadnt a clue just how bad those muppets where,
However im not so sure Maribor was too vilified for it, he would be held in very high regard by anyone who knows him, and so would his opinions.
The former board certainly wouldnt have been his biggest fans though
But yeah Mr Parker, your making yourself sound like a raving lunatic with no credibility at all having a go at the likes of Maribor over the former boards antics.
MB,Cheers MK. still not sure of status of the football side and am unclear why they would not be eligible for SETANTA (leaving aside moral argument) and if there is no connection with old football entity then should they not start in A League* ?
*(think you guys suffered enough, but just asking
Personally I think we should be in the A League. However if the FAI tell us we can apply for the 1st Division, then it made sense to apply for that.
In my view we shouldn't be eligible for the Setanta as it would be like parachuting a new club(Bray, Ballymena United etc) in and going- "pretend you are Derry City" and play out the rest of the campaign.
The club that entered the competition in 2009 is in administration, has no players and is in position to fufil fixtures. The new club was not a participant at the start of the competition, how can they start now.
Fair play, and a very honest view on things MK
I am well aware of his position now and in the past including his warnings. If you read my posts I am not having a go at him. He is one of the 'good guys' in my book.
You asked when you were going to get paid.
You're not going to get paid (whether by administrator or otherwise) without proving you are owed money by lodging your claim with the administrator and being formally confirmed as a creditor.
That's why I asked a simple question that required a yes/no answer.
If anyone is deflecting anything I'm afraid it's you....
If FODC have approached Linfield with the intention of ex gratia payments which are in effect covering debts by the previous DCFC then they don't need to be on the list of creditors?
I agree with you about the contradiction of complaining that FODC won't actually pay them, and then saying that the administrator will handle all payments (if that is actually what is happening).
Lodging the claim with the adminstrator is a formailty, as unfortunately given the lack of assets of Wellvan (and the many creditors) it's unlikely that there will be a material settlement at the end of the process.
The reason for lodging a claim is to establish you are owed what you say you are owed. Otherwise what's to stop any club of business rocking up and saying they are owed £x by Wellvan?
The Cliftonville money relates to a contract signed between Derry City and Celtic in 2008 for a transfer fee and friendlies. Cliftonville have claimed a sidebar contract exists between Derry and them to share Celtics costs for a friendly arranged subsequently between Cliftonville and Celtic.
Therefore unless this contract has been lodged with the administrator, there's no way anyone will get paid, by anyone. Mr. Parker has confirmed the contract was lodged with the administrator and Cliftonville have been listed as a creditor by the administrator so that's the first step to getting paid. All the above being correct, over to FoDC to take it forward in that case.
Maybe you missed it.
Drogheda haven't folded the holding company. Its still Hinge trading. The FAI insisted in 2002 that Hinge carried on with the Drogs and we went into examinership, not liquidation in the recent times.
Hunky Dorys Park - could be worse, we could be going to Old Trafford every other week
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