eradicating the errors

**paul_oshea** · 11/02/2009, 9:46 PM

i know kelly wasn't match fit or sharp and wouldn't have played only for mcshane was injured but we have been making these mistakes far too often, and people beleive that trap has got us conceding less goals etc etc, but we are still prone to at least 1 serious error per game.

against bulgaria or italy we could annihilated because of this.

**irishfan86** · 11/02/2009, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

i know kelly wasn't match fit or sharp and wouldn't have played only for mcshane was injured but we have been making these mistakes far too often, and people beleive that trap has got us conceding less goals etc etc, but we are still prone to at least 1 serious error per game.

against bulgaria or italy we could annihilated because of this.

Bulgaria are mediocre with the exception of a couple of players.

Even if we make mistakes, chances are so will they.

I'm not saying they won't be a challenge, but we are capable of at least splitting the points with them over 2 matches, and maybe getting even more.

**backstothewall** · 11/02/2009, 10:12 PM

The rest of this season will be of great benefit to Kelly. He is geting a game in the Premier Leage, not to give him a run to gain experience, but because his manager thinks he is the best right back at the club.

Thats a big step up and he can learn a lot in this time. We now all have a lot invested in Stoke surviving this season IMO. If he and Whelan can stay in the team and keeep them up they will be better players for us.

he has had 12 cas but a lot of them are as a sub when games were over. He needs time and experience. Lets not write him off just yet

**tetsujin1979** · 11/02/2009, 11:30 PM

By the time Bulgaria roll into town, Kelly will have far more games under his belt at Stoke. Lack of match sharpness cost him tonight, but he did recover well from it. Hopefull Finnan will be back fit as well, and it'll be a choice between Finnan, Kelly and Foley for the full back berth

**Wexford Delboy** · 11/02/2009, 11:40 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

By the time Bulgaria roll into town, Kelly will have far more games under his belt at Stoke. Lack of match sharpness cost him tonight, but he did recover well from it. Hopefull Finnan will be back fit as well, and it'll be a choice between Finnan, Kelly and Foley for the full back berth

dont 4get mcshane

**TheBoss** · 11/02/2009, 11:58 PM

I think we as football nation have to accept that the players we have at the moment in terms of a squad, is not the best. So we also have to accept that errors are made by all players but the best players make less errors. To expect Ireland to go through a game without an error is impossible, if that was the case, we would win everything but we do not cause the players we have do make them, so we cannot really stop it happening.

**tetsujin1979** · 12/02/2009, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by Wexford Delboy

dont 4get mcshane

If those 3 are fit, he won't be in the running for a full back slot. If anything, he'll replace Bruce. And give the_doc a coronary.

**irishfan86** · 12/02/2009, 2:26 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

If those 3 are fit, he won't be in the running for a full back slot. If anything, he'll replace Bruce. And give the_doc a coronary.

There's little doubt Finnan is our number 1 full-back, but based on the fact that Trap gave McShane every chance to prove his fitness for this past match, and the fact that Kelly had a pretty bad game, I'd say McShane is second choice to Finnan for that position.

Not on merit or ability, but in Trap's mind.

**ifk101** · 12/02/2009, 7:19 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

i know kelly wasn't match fit or sharp and wouldn't have played only for mcshane was injured but we have been making these mistakes far too often, and people beleive that trap has got us conceding less goals etc etc, but we are still prone to at least 1 serious error per game.

against bulgaria or italy we could annihilated because of this.

That's why Trapattoni is unwilling to make to unforced changes to the team as a lot of errors can be eliminated through organisation and structure. For instance, the Georgian goal and Poland's first goal can perhaps be related to Kelly and Folan not being up to speed with their respective roles and responsibilities.

**paul_oshea** · 12/02/2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by ifk101

That's why Trapattoni is unwilling to make to unforced changes to the team as a lot of errors can be eliminated through organisation and structure. For instance, the Georgian goal and Poland's first goal can perhaps be related to Kelly and Folan not being up to speed with their respective roles and responsibilities.

I suppose to some up, Familiarity. That makes sense, and TheBoss whilst I understand what you are saying, all these players are Professionals, making schoolboy errors, that is not acceptable. I can understand being beaten by a good player or being dummied or whatever, but not simple mistakes. If Trap thinks by breeding familiarity that he can Iron these out then so be it, as the man says if one man knows another mans faults he knows what he needs to do to cover these.

**Stuttgart88** · 12/02/2009, 11:34 AM

Giles was realistic in his pre-match chat: you'll always concede chances against anyone. For me the big positive was that at 2-1 we gave them nothing, and injury time was as relaxed (if you can ever call it that watching ireland) as I've seen recently.

**Wolfie** · 12/02/2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Giles was realistic in his pre-match chat: you'll always concede chances against anyone. For me the big positive was that at 2-1 we gave them nothing, and injury time was as relaxed (if you can ever call it that watching ireland) as I've seen recently.

Fair play, Stutts, You're a cool customer - I was sh*tting myself with 2 mins to go!!!

**Stuttgart88** · 12/02/2009, 12:52 PM

Watching the SKY replay at home now. One of the benefits of losing one's job in the credit crunch I guess!

**Wolfie** · 12/02/2009, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Watching the SKY replay at home now. One of the benefits of losing one's job in the credit crunch I guess!

Sorry to hear that - wouldn't mind actually seeing the TV coverage of the game. You know there's a happy ending at least.

**seanfhear** · 12/02/2009, 5:38 PM

In fairness to Stephen Kelly it was a big ask for him to play in such a big game after only two competitive game after a long term injury.

**jbyrne** · 13/02/2009, 8:17 AM

having seen the replay of their goal again i wouldnt be so harsh on kelly. he came out and explained afterwards what happened and id actually give him the benefit of the doubt after seeing it again from behind the goal. in my opinion the two ctre halfs and kelly were all to blame

**Stuttgart88** · 13/02/2009, 8:18 AM

yep, I agree with the collective failure though I do think Kelly should have put his foot to it and he did let it affect him. You could see he just didn't want the ball anywhere near him for the next 20 minutes.