S�amus Coleman (D Everton b.1988)

**tricky_colour** · 21/10/2012, 5:31 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

He has given the ball away poorly twice.

Only twice?
Sign him up!!!
I think he also almost gave away a penalty, but it was a close decision, or rather not spotted by the ref/didn't look lie a penalty, which I see as a good thing, you will get other defenders who have penalties given against them even when they don't commit a foul, I know which I prefer!
I do like that Coleman gets forward though.

Sky: "A few nervy moments but got forward when possible.".

He got 2 points on Sky fantasy football, the rules say

Player completes 60 or more passes: 2pts
Player completes 4 or more successful tackles: 2pts

So probably for the tackles?

You also get 2 points for starting but I think they were already taken into account as none
of the other defenders who started got any points listed.

**paul_oshea** · 21/10/2012, 5:36 PM

yep he did, its something ive always feared about him and for ireland. I really don't know how he has gotten away with it for so long, he must have eaten his lucky charms again this morning. On five occasions I've seen him give away clear penalties yet he gets away with it.

**dong** · 21/10/2012, 7:02 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

yep he did, its something ive always feared about him and for ireland. I really don't know how he has gotten away with it for so long, he must have eaten his lucky charms again this morning. On five occasions I've seen him give away clear penalties yet he gets away with it.

Im sure he'll eventually fulfill your prophecy and give one away if you keep on about it for long enough.
Nice little vendetta you have against him.

**Junior** · 21/10/2012, 9:07 PM

Originally Posted by dong

Im sure he'll eventually fulfill your prophecy and give one away if you keep on about it for long enough.
Nice little vendetta you have against him.

Haha thats funny, POSH actually has a little crush on Coleman (picture unde his pillow that type of thing). He's posted it loads before about him not only being a good player but also a lucky one (in that he seems to get away with a few fouls in dangerous areas/penalty box) - A positive attribute I think he's saying. Its hardly a Vendetta, I thought you Rovers fans would be all on top of the world right now, still a touch of paranoia about ye and yours though it seems.....

**tricky_colour** · 21/10/2012, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

yep he did, its something ive always feared about him and for ireland. I really don't know how he has gotten away with it for so long, he must have eaten his lucky charms again this morning. On five occasions I've seen him give away clear penalties yet he gets away with it.

actually they just showed it on MOTD and it was not a penalty, he got a touch on the ball. so maybe the other penalties he gave away were not actually penalties. I think the thing maybe that he goes to play the ball commit a foul so that makes it harder to spot. Other players go to commit a foul, fail and get sent off!!

**paul_oshea** · 22/10/2012, 8:21 AM

If that was the case here then fair enough, on sky they said it was a penalty.

Its not a vendetta. I love the thought of someone like Coleman making a career for himself given his background. Long may his luck continue.

**DeLorean** · 22/10/2012, 11:57 AM

There is one angle that clearly show him getting a slight touch on the ball a mili-second before contact with the player (and that was with a magnifier). He was pretty lucky to get away with it really, even if it was technically not a foul. I think it would have been given, without a doubt, if Jelavic had got his in the first half.

**tricky_colour** · 23/10/2012, 4:44 AM

Originally Posted by DeLorean

There is one angle that clearly show him getting a slight touch on the ball a mili-second before contact with the player (and that was with a magnifier). He was pretty lucky to get away with it really, even if it was technically not a foul. I think it would have been given, without a doubt, if Jelavic had got his in the first half.

As you point out he did not "get away with it" because no foul was committed as he did get a touch on the ball.
The ref must have good eyesight if he saw the touch, however I fancy he saw neither a touch or a foul, I didn't see the foul first time round.
I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw the enlarged slow motion, look like a clear cut peno, and 'lucky to get away' with it.
I think it just goes to show how your eyes can be deceived, but rather than being lucky I see it as good judgement.
So as I say, sign him up!!

**Manblue** · 23/10/2012, 7:51 AM

Originally Posted by tricky_colour

As you point out he did not "get away with it" because no foul was committed as he did get a touch on the ball.
The ref must have good eyesight if he saw the touch, however I fancy he saw neither a touch or a foul, I didn't see the foul first time round.
I could hardly believe my eyes when I saw the enlarged slow motion, look like a clear cut peno, and 'lucky to get away' with it.
I think it just goes to show how your eyes can be deceived, but rather than being lucky I see it as good judgement.
So as I say, sign him up!!

It was sloppy to say the least, safety first. We can't depend on top class refereeing in games as we found out before.

He can be very casual at times. Got away with it on the wings but too dangerous in the box.

**DeLorean** · 23/10/2012, 7:52 AM

I think he was lucky in the sense that it would usually be given, as from most angles it looked a clear penalty (including the ref's angle). He was extra lucky as it was such a poor touch in the first place. Alan Shearer (I know, I know) said on motd2 that even though he did get a slight touch on the ball first, it was still a penalty. Not sure how that works.

Wouldn't worry too much about it Manblue, his touch is usually pretty good. He does far more good than bad in my opinion and is still very much learning. He's only getting used to the full back position again.

**tricky_colour** · 23/10/2012, 6:26 PM

Originally Posted by Manblue

It was sloppy to say the least, safety first. We can't depend on top class refereeing in games as we found out before.

He can be very casual at times. Got away with it on the wings but too dangerous in the box.

I don't really see it that way, I see it as he did enough, he didn't give away a penalty, I'd agree he is better
outside of the box. but that is not his normal position, let's face it we have defenders whose normal position is
inside the box who are not exactly flawless!! At least he was there covering and it was a bit unsporting of the QPR player to sneak up
on him like that.

It's also worth nothing that immediately after that incident another QPR player picked up the ball and made a run in the box,
Coleman dispossessed him and turned defence into attack, that player also went down in the box, however he made no appeal
for a peno, so I assume there was no foul. I am a bit mystified as to how Coleman managed to dispossess him, however the fact
remains he did. indeed I have seen a number of incident were he has done something similar ie somehow managed to get past
a player (or two) when it was seemingly impossible, which is why I am always happy to see his name on the team sheet.

Actually I have just remembered something called "Colemanbalsl"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTRSY06pcNE

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rASmmmU5mMk

Indeed the incident contains it's own Colemanball, ie "That's a penalty, all day long" when it fact it was not!!

So he is a bit of a magician in a way, "The quickness of the foot deceives the eye"!!

**tommy_c12000** · 28/10/2012, 11:57 AM

Big test for Seamus V Liverpool today. Starts RB. Will be interesting to see how he does

**tommy_c12000** · 28/10/2012, 7:27 PM

Had a good, solid game today at RB. Huge for him

**elroy** · 28/10/2012, 9:52 PM

Originally Posted by tommy_c12000

Had a good, solid game today at RB. Huge for him

Ya overall did very well. He is still better going forward than he is defensively. he had a wonderful one two in the second half which he finished with a decent cross when he probably couldve struck himself. had a couple of decent snapshots as well.

He was partly at fault for the first goal, committed himself in the build up when there was no need. A number of times Pool did get behind him on the right hand side but he is definitely improving in a damn fine team.

**tricky_colour** · 29/10/2012, 2:05 AM

Dunno, I think he was a bit unlucky the lose ball fell to Liverpool player.
Suarez should never have been allowed to score from that angle anyway.
Leighton Baines hardly covered himself in glory.
But I would say a decent game for Coleman overall, on Sky Sports 3 Everton players rated above him, 3 below and 4 the same.
I think on another occasion he causes Suarez to fall over in his effort to get past him.

**theworm2345** · 03/11/2012, 3:48 PM

Couple of mistakes there from Coleman there lead to Fulham's late equaliser.

**tricky_colour** · 03/11/2012, 7:48 PM

Was 3rd highest rated player on sky sports only Fellani and Mirallas according to te fans rating anyway

**shellyriver** · 16/11/2012, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

yep he did, its something ive always feared about him and for ireland. I really don't know how he has gotten away with it for so long, he must have eaten his lucky charms again this morning. On five occasions I've seen him give away clear penalties yet he gets away with it.

As for spanner comments - any comment on his performance v Greece? Most accompolished Irish player?

Everton must have some academy turning this raw, unprofessional, rough diamond into the jewel he is

Why don't more players go there, what's their secret

Said it last year - he is playing at the highest level of any Irish player in the PL and should have walked into that side.

The secret of his success is the manner is how he plays - you strip that from him, and he is half the player he is.

As for giving the ball away - do you think it is realistically possible to play the time of game he does and cover every blade of grass done the wing? Imagine making a mistake! Play safe and get hammered. Yeah, that sounds good.

As for academies? Can't teach you attitude, can't teach you want you haven't got. Just brush up on what's already there.

Sligo Rovers gave him away for �60K and embarrassed the LOI undersellling such an asset. Doesn't have to such an extent usually but the 'piece of business' was utter insanity - passed off as good-will, only for Everton to see a second tier side v Sligo Rovers as a friendly!

Great to see Seamie getting just reward - simply a class act. Great to see Hoolihan play also - proper footballers of contrasting hues.

How Trappatoni couldn't see that was a disgrace, anyone who supports that philosophy should really give up any involvement in football at whatever level you're at - I suppose that won't stop bar-stool fools.