QuoteIf Wenger thinks he's OK for keepers after watching Fabianski yesterday he's deluded.
Would be a great move for him if Buffon goes. Can't see him going to Man City though. The whole article seems a bit far fetched, I'd say there's little chance of Messi going to Juve. Would love to know who the other Italian clubs are- would be great to move to Serie A.Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
If Wenger thinks he's OK for keepers after watching Fabianski yesterday he's deluded.
Agree both Almunia and Fabianski are very ordinary but with the budget at best able to buy two players Arsenal have areas where their even worse off so regrettably cant see Shay going to Arsenal. A move to Spurs would be laughable as their even worse off than Newcastle. Juventus would be great but i wonder would he move his family that far.
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I think Cech is over rated (certainly not the best in the world) but both he and Van Der Saar have the facets needed for a top club. I don't think Almunia or Reyna have though I've been pleasantly surprised by Almunia.
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You are joking mate, Reina doesn't have the qualities to be at a top club??? He has won the Golden Gloves award for the last 3 years, I reckon thats enough to suggest you may be incorrect not only in your spelling but also in your judgement..
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There's about a dozen keepers in the Premiership better than Reina. Incredibly overrated keeper.
Name them.
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I used to think so but I think he's improving. He's made critical saves in games where he's been quiet. I still think he's unconvincing under high balls but that's a trend these days - it doesn't seem to be as valued as it used to be. The real test for whether Reina is a top-team 'keeper will be at the business end of the season assuming Liverpool are still challenging. I thought he got off the hook in the CL QF last season (beaten at near post) and was poor in the SF against Chelsea.
I can name 8.
Van der Sar
Cech
Given
Friedal
James
Tim Howard
Jaaskelainen
Schwarzer
Reina couldn't catch a cold never mind a ball. Decent shotstopper but so is Gomes.
I don't rate him as one of the best; the Liverpool centre backs have been very good. I certainly don't call to mind him making more important saves than Given or another 5-6 keepers in the premiership.
I also seem to remember him getting beaten at his near post recently and floundering at a few crosses. He is certainly not a worthy winner of the 'golden glove' award for the last three years.
Worthy or not the fact remains he has won the award three years running, in a side that has not won or even been close to winning the title. Yes the Liverpool defence has been quite good, it is the keepers job to marshall them correctly which Reina does. As for dodgy at crosses, that is probably a fair point but when you see him come for a cross you can't doubt his commitment, he will clean up anyone in front of him to get to the ball. The guy is also an incredibly accurate distributor of the ball, very similar to the way Schmeichal was.
As for the 8 keepers better than him above... Tim f##king Howard!!! are you on drugs??? Complete failure at Utd. and only getting attention now that he is at a side where nothing is expected of him so he has none of the pressures Reina has. I will agree with Cech being better and Given and Jaaskelinen being on a par with him. David James? You have a very short memory, he is a good shot stopper but is about as unreliable as they come, as soon as Foster starts to get regular first team football James can kiss his England career goodbye. Schwarzer can go in the same bracket as Howard, he has never had any real pressure on him but he is a decent keeper. Friedal goes into that group too, he was awful at Liverpool but seems to have matured at Blackburn, again though nothing expected of him. Van Der Sar? Did you not see the Utd. Liverpool game? He was a great keeper but he is shaky now, again once Foster is ready he will take his place.
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Tim Howard was in the Premiership team of the season in his first season at United as far as I can remember
Its really not that complicated!!!
4 years ago mate. Liam Miller was a great player with Celtic, Paschal Chimbonda made the PFA team of the year once too, one season wonders. Reina has won the Golden gloves 3 years on the trot. I think you will agree that to be recognised as a top player you must be consistently good. Reina is consistently good. So by the way is Shay Given just to get back on topic. Has made the team of the year twice while at Newcastle and should have moved years ago, I think he is probably too settled family-wise now to be thinking of a move.
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Reina is an excellent keeper and is apparently very highly rated in European circles and at 26 is also younger than most of his fellow keepers in the Premier League. Certainly I don't know a single Liverpool fan who is unhappy with him and given that they had a succession of dodgy goalkeepers prior to Reina arriving I think that tells you something. They are the ones who watch him week in and week out.
As good a keeper as he is I'm amazed how Cech constantly avoids any criticism. He made some horrendous blunders last year. Certainly far worse than anything I've ever seen Reina do but he seems to get off scot free. Van der Sar in his day was very good but is certainly past his best now. Almunia is just average.
And to get back to Shay his best chance of getting a top four team would probably be at Arsenal. Liverpool and Chelsea are not in the market for any keepers while United seem to be grooming Foster to take over from Van der Sar in the next year or two. So Arsenal is his best chance but Wenger is unpredictable and he may not see a goalkeeper as near the top of their priorities especially after the injury to Fabregas.
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I would definitely put Reina down as a lot more error prone than Cech. Given is surely the least error prone keeper in that league. We've all seen him play about 150 times and could count his handling errors on one hand. Kick outs are a different story though.
How much Premiership football do you actually get to watch out in Oz? Seriously. James, Tim Howard and Friedal have been outstanding for their respective clubs over the past 3 years. VDS is on his last legs and this will probably be his last season but I'd still take him over Reina every day of the week. Jaaskelainen? If he played for one of the big 4 clubs everybody would be raving about him.
Not saying that I agree with his opinion at all, but the Premiership is the most watched league in the world, and almost all games are available worldwide if you want to see them.
I live in Canada, and subscribe to Setanta. I get almost all Premiership matches, either live or on delay, in addition to plenty of other stuff- a couple of SPL games a week, Ligue 1, the Dutch Eredivisie...
I assume the same opportunities to watch the Premiership exist in Australia.
Only problem with Oz is that they are on in the middle of the night, but living overseas you get a lot more games than you do in the UK or Ireland, I get a minimum of 5 live PL games per weekend and it can be as many as 7 with the others generally shown delayed at some point. I think I have missed about 2 spurs games in 4 months.
Hmmm. Are about to reach the final of a tournament they won last season. Have one of the best managers in the league who also won a trophy last season and who has dramatically improved things since taking over. Have just spent £19m on a player and will probably strengthen again in the remainder of the window.
Spurs are a bit of a comedy club but you'd want to be on drugs to think they're worse off then Newcaastle. I'd still sooner see him at Arsenal miond you but that doesn't look likely. Maybe City might suit him better but will Hughes still be there in a month?
As good a keeper as he is I'm amazed how Cech constantly avoids any criticism. He made some horrendous blunders last year. Certainly far worse than anything I've ever seen Reina do but he seems to get off scot free.
Couldn't agree more with you.Cech is the most overated keeper around, and that bloody skull cap?? ok, he was badly injured but I think he's a bit of an attention seeker with it. I'm no great fan of Stephen Hunt, but I honestly think the injury he caused cech was accidental and Cech was none too forgiving.....when asked about the tackle some time after the incident Cech said "I don't want to talk about him..." get over it man
It may sound biased but I do not think there is any better keeper that I have seen in World Football than Given. Personally I'd rate him number 1 with Cassillas a close second
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