General Football Question

**theworm2345** · 02/10/2008, 11:03 PM

Sorry if this is the wrong place for this

Say you are playing in the World Cup and you just made your 3rd substitution. The game is 0-0 in the 119th minute and one of your guys breaks his leg and can't even walk.

Say the penalties go into the 10th round and your keeper just scored. Would your next shooter be the 1st shooter for your team or technically would that 11th guy - never having really been substituted - technically have to shoot?

**tetsujin1979** · 03/10/2008, 12:35 AM

When a team is down to 10 men, the other team have to nominate a player (it's usually the keeper) who will not take a penalty in the shoot out.

**Stevo Da Gull** · 03/10/2008, 12:57 AM

Not exactly the same thing but I remember the Netherlands - England match at the U21 Euro's where Steven Taylor got injured in extra time but completed the 120 minutes. The team had used all of their subs and even though Taylor's mobility was terrible they left him out there as an extra body to get in the way. Because he completed the game he had to then take a peno, I think the Dutch manager started kicking up a stink as Taylor tried to leave the pitch when the shoot-out started. England weren't too happy about it but he scored anyway.
I think it finished 12-11 with Arnold Kruiswijk missing both of his pens.

As tetsujin said though, if a team does actually go down to 10 men then the other team will drop someone from their list for the shoot-out... which makes my story a total waste of time

**Sligo Hornet** · 03/10/2008, 6:49 AM

Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull

Not exactly the same thing but I remember the Netherlands - England match at the U21 Euro's where Steven Taylor got injured in extra time but completed the 120 minutes. The team had used all of their subs and even though Taylor's mobility was terrible they left him out there as an extra body to get in the way. Because he completed the game he had to then take a peno, I think the Dutch manager started kicking up a stink as Taylor tried to leave the pitch when the shoot-out started. England weren't too happy about it but he scored anyway.
I think it finished 12-11 with Arnold Kruiswijk missing both of his pens.

As tetsujin said though, if a team does actually go down to 10 men then the other team will drop someone from their list for the shoot-out... which makes my story a total waste of time

Don't beat yourelf up.......it killed a few minutes for me!

**Schumi** · 03/10/2008, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

When a team is down to 10 men, the other team have to nominate a player (it's usually the keeper) who will not take a penalty in the shoot out.

I think I saw somewhere that if the keeper is chosen not to take a penalty he can't be in goal for the other team's penalties either so an outfield player would normally be chosen.

**pineapple stu** · 03/10/2008, 11:34 AM

You'd have read it in the match programme when I did the You are the Ref column.

A team with ten players has to nominate one player to not take part in the entire shoot out. So if you choose your keeper, he can't face the penalties.

**theworm2345** · 03/10/2008, 4:17 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

You'd have read it in the match programme when I did the You are the Ref column.

A team with ten players has to nominate one player to not take part in the entire shoot out. So if you choose your keeper, he can't face the penalties.

OK, thanks all

**Mr Maroon** · 03/10/2008, 5:41 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

When a team is down to 10 men, the other team have to nominate a player (it's usually the keeper) who will not take a penalty in the shoot out.

He has to take one. It has to be one of the outfielders.

**brianw82** · 03/10/2008, 11:40 PM

I may as well ask this here:

Does the number 1 shirt have to be worn by a goalkeeper?

**HarpoJoyce** · 04/10/2008, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by brianw82

I may as well ask this here:

Does the number 1 shirt have to be worn by a goalkeeper?

No as the substitute 'keeper player will have a different number.

In Agentina '78, Peru did not want to use the number 13. So were allowed by FIFA to use no 23 for their second 'keeper. He was never used though. ( I think tournament and country are correct).

You question raises a question from me.
If an outfield player replaces a goalkeeper ( for whatever reason). His colours need to change from the outfield players. But should he borrow the 'keepers jersey as that changes his number also?

**Mr Maroon** · 04/10/2008, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

should he borrow the 'keepers jersey as that changes his number also?

Yes, he should.

**brianw82** · 04/10/2008, 2:47 AM

Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

No as the substitute 'keeper player will have a different number.

In Agentina '78, Peru did not want to use the number 13. So were allowed by FIFA to use no 23 for their second 'keeper. He was never used though. ( I think tournament and country are correct).

You question raises a question from me.
If an outfield player replaces a goalkeeper ( for whatever reason). His colours need to change from the outfield players. But should he borrow the 'keepers jersey as that changes his number also?

Thanks, but it's not quite what I meant.

Can an outfield player be assigned the number 1?

**tetsujin1979** · 04/10/2008, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

You question raises a question from me.
If an outfield player replaces a goalkeeper ( for whatever reason). His colours need to change from the outfield players. But should he borrow the 'keepers jersey as that changes his number also?

David James did that for Man City a few seasons ago, pretty sure he wore an outfield jersey, but I can't remember what number was on the back

**holidaysong** · 04/10/2008, 2:16 PM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

David James did that for Man City a few seasons ago, pretty sure he wore an outfield jersey, but I can't remember what number was on the back

Last match of the season and Man City needed to win to get into the UEFA Cup. City brought on their sub keeper for an outfield player, put him in goals and stuck David James up front as a target man. He had an outfield jersey on with James 1 on the back. Stuart Pearce had it printed up beforehand.

So no, an outfielder can wear the number 1 jersey.

**Schumi** · 04/10/2008, 2:52 PM

Didn't some international team number their players alphabetically in some tournament so an outfield player was assigned #1?

**Mr Maroon** · 04/10/2008, 6:40 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Didn't some international team number their players alphabetically in some tournament so an outfield player was assigned #1?

Yeah they did. Was it Argentina?

**EAFC_rdfl** · 06/10/2008, 12:37 PM

lads, derek riordan is now wearing number one for hibs after moving back from celtic, so strange looking!
I kid you not!

**pineapple stu** · 06/10/2008, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by Schumi

Didn't some international team number their players alphabetically in some tournament so an outfield player was assigned #1?

Ossie Ardiles for Argentina in the 78 World Cup.

**stojkovic** · 06/10/2008, 7:48 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Ossie Ardiles for Argentina in the 78 World Cup.

Dont mean to be pedantic but Ardiles wore #2 in 78. It was in 82 that he wore #1.

But yes you are correct that they were numbered alphabetically, except for Diego Armando.

Funnily enough England did the same in 82 with the exception of the goalkeepers and Kevin Keegan.