I can't agree with that. Carsley can slow a game down by taking too long to release a pass. Whelan released the ball instantly whenever he could tonight.Originally Posted by paul_oshea
would ye stop going on about walcott, one good game, he'll be the messiah and england to lift the world cup tomorrow over here. He finished well for his second goal in fairness, but all he has is pace, he is no henry.
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I can't agree with that. Carsley can slow a game down by taking too long to release a pass. Whelan released the ball instantly whenever he could tonight.
No way Montenegro will be bottom of the group. Reckon's it's Georgia though Cyprus will be in the mix.
Good result early doors I'll take it. Plus did anyone see some of the mad results tonight? We couldn't beat the Swiss home or away and Luxembourg go and do it. Austria stuff France and then get beat by Lithuania.
And people throught our result against Georgia was a bit tight but Italy could only manage 2-0 at home. Poor start to the campaign for the Italians....God forbid I might actually become optimistic about our chances!
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he may have released it marginally quicker but it went in the exact same direction as carsley. The only reason i can think he got MOTM tonight was because he is breaking onto the scene, got it the last day and there wasn't anyone really outstanding, oshea came close in fairness(given only had to make 2 real saves and thats not going to win you motm, unless under intense pressure), beglin admitted this when hamilton said it. I really think we were solid in defence tonight but that was it. We showed no attacking flair bar a couple of half chances, but this could easily have been a montenegro victory. I did think a draw from what i said in other threads but i thought that it could be a score draw, we still dont look like scoring. Fair enough trap seems to have sorted us out defensively but we seriouslly need to work on being able to create chances and score. Think to yourself tonight, who would feel more hard-done by(bar the penatly), im sure the montis are, look at the saves made by each keeper if still in disagreement.
I'm a bloke,I'm an ocker
And I really love your knockers,I'm a labourer by day,
I **** up all me pay,Watching footy on TV,
Just feed me more VB,Just pour my beer,And get my smokes, And go away
A really good performance, I can not pick a bad game by any player. They played as a team and passed the ball around very well, in control for most of the game and deserved the win in the end. A bit disappointed at that, but to get 4 points from 6, with 2 good performances away from Home, is something that Irish teams have rarely done over the years, it was usually hanging on in the game and sneaking a goal and trying to hold on, where as now, it is far more controlled and the players know what they are doing.
I can only be positive for future games, I can see us, challenging Italy for first place on current form. Italy were not great yet again and Georgia had a few good chances there aswell. All is looking good for once.
i think it unfair to say mcgeady had a bad game because he missed that chance. when they ran through clips of all the chances we had guess who was involved in all of them, mcgeady.
i think of anyone who's position is questionable is stephen hunt.
given- tremendous in goal
finnan- didnt notice him, mustn't have put a foot wrong then.
o shea- great performance from o shea
dunne- good and steady
kilbane- played well again, apart from one mistake that nearly cost us.
whelan- played the anchor man well. does his job.
reid- was suffering a bit i think. but put in a performance,
mcgeady- used the ball better today, good crosses.
hunt- battled away but rarely any end product.
doyle- for me he is outstanding, holds the ball up well and is very composed. playing with confidence.
keane- nice snapshot, nice link up play, should have been played in by mcgeady to score.
i think the good thing is were not relying on any individual too much, we play as a team, that game three years ago shay given probably would have had to pull of ten wondersaves to keep us in it, tonight he had one.
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Doyle is a very interesting player. Some don't think he does anything but run, but I think he does so much. Like his touch is very very good. He reminds me of Palyvuchenko, but just missing that killer instinct that he possesses.
Doyle doesn't seem really to have the goal in his mind, like a real forward should. I think him and Robbie Keane are quite alike in style. We need a striker who just sees the goal and thats it. Maby Dave Mooney? The 'Irish Pauleta'.
I mentioned Walcott, i assume you are talkng to me.
I said about Walcott in the context of a pacy striker, which is something we lack in a big way.
He is no Henry, but who is??
Does Usain Bolt have an Irish granny?
Trap: "In the second half, we controlled the game better, we grew in confidence and the players understood what I said to them, that it was possible to lose and they should run down the clock if they could."
He said before the match he wouldn't have the team going out to play for a draw.
First two qualifers out of the way, and now we play the waiting game.....
Can't agree with you there. Hunt was very very poor. Okay, he'll run all day but he was not dangerous(and I can't rem when he was dangerous for Ireland)and at the end of the day he is meant to be an attacking player.He does not appear to have a football brain (evidenced when he chased a guy into the corner in 1st half and ball hit him on head - Doyle already had the guy closed down). He is a headless chicken and liable to do anything. That said,some headless chickens have their uses (eg Chris Waddle) and I would have him on the squad but only as an impact sub to use his pace against tiring opposition
See if we had a decent set piece taker in the starting 11, Hunt and McGeady's work would be actually merited. I would regard a wingers work to trouble the opposition, so if the opposition are fouling a player on a regular basis(McGeady) in dangerous areas then he is doing his bit.
I just had a quick read of the match thread, I can't believe I was just after watching the same game.
It's a long long time since we have performed like that, pretty much dominating 2 away games with composed controlled play.
O'Shea was inspirational and apart from a fluke deflection we were not troubled.
McGeady getting more solid. He had a chance, it was about our only chance therefore much of the focus is on his poor miss. I think he grew a bit out there.
Overall I am much more confident of a top 2 spot.
Ah, the waiting game sucks. Let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos!
The problem for me was the back 6 stayed back at all times except for set pieces. We had two wingers trying to cross the ball to the centre with no one arriving from midfield to get on the end of it. Hopefully this is just the 'away tactic'. Okay of course that means we're more solid defensively, but its just not how I like the game being player personally.
The chances Montenegro got were from 2 small slips in defence from Kilbane, Stephen Reid slipping on the grass and a deflected shot from 25 yards out. Other than that they never really troubled us - they ran out of ideas quite early in the game and the only attacking threat they posed was from shots a long way out or from them trying to fool the ref into giving them free kicks.
I'm disappointed we didn't win but I'm happy that we look very comfortable away from home against a team that is regarded as having a strong attacking threat. We have a shape and organisation that was not there before and I think we can look forward to the rest of the qualification campaign as these two away games have shown that we do have a real chance of qualification.
Leaps and Bounds we really are taking Shape and its great to see! missing something in the final quarter though to unlock defences and get Keane and Doyle more sniffs -dare I say it Stephen Ireland?
I'm surprised people are being so negative at the team as a whole. Partnerships are developing all over the field which should give us a solid foundation for the trickier ties that lie ahead. The two wingers were average at best and it's a problem area for us but if Duff is wrapped in cotton wool that is one wing sorted. Maybe McGeady and Hunt are not cut out for international football? Some guys just never adapt to the pressures,
Wins against Cyprus and Georgia at home are needed now + I hope the FAI do something about the atmosphere because we need to make Croke Park a fortress.
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You'll NEVER beat the Irish.......you'll just draw with us instead!!!
Our qualification hopes in this group, lie with equalling, or improving upon, Bulgaria and Italy's results. Last night we had a wonderful opportunity to get a two point jumpstart over Bulgaria, and we just left it behind us. We were never in any real danger, yet Trapp made no attempt to strenghten our attack, and seemed happy to take a point and run. This will bite us in the behind, before the end. Very disappointing result.
Stephen Ireland on the right, Duff on the left, or else we're in trouble.
i thought mcgeady did ok actually. watch the game again and see how often he tracks back. also held onto possession a few times well when we needed to keep the ball in their half. his miss was poor though
with regards to atmosphere, its up to the fans to create it. you cant create artificial atmosphere. i've always thought that a few well positioned fans with bodhrans around the ground is the best way of getting the crowd going. fai initiatives like plastic pop music after goals and the carlsberg band have actually helped ruin the atmosphere
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