Players asked to help pay club debt

**pete** · 13/08/2008, 4:46 PM

Before anyone starts I am not attacking other clubs (I don't understand my own clubs situation) but I don't understand how Cobh are in trouble. From what I can make out their attendances are approx double last season & more or less same squad...

**brianw82** · 13/08/2008, 4:59 PM

Are Cobh not still part-time too? I mean, their expenses can't really be much more than last season? And, as Pete says, their attendences are up this year.

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense, really.

**pete** · 13/08/2008, 5:22 PM

Apparently Cobh players as part time are on Net wages i.e. if get paid E500 the club pays the tax on top of this. Seems they be may be asked to pay the tax themselves now so for example E500 becomes gross. Getting net wages is a big advantage for part time players as they can use tax free allowance for their day jobs.

**Longfordian** · 13/08/2008, 5:25 PM

All players have to be registered with the FAI with their wages stated as gross, now fair enough most players' concern is "how much do I get into my hand?" but the standard players' contract has to include a gross amount.

**pineapple stu** · 13/08/2008, 5:27 PM

Dear God, will people (by which I mean you, almost solely, pete!) drop the nett wages argument?!

If you're getting P60s and payslips (as clubs, as any business, are required by law to do, and given the recent Revenue audits, they'd want to be morons not to be doing it), they're being paid gross. End of story. The club has either paid the tax or has a tax creditor to pay.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 13/08/2008, 5:49 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Before anyone starts I am not attacking other clubs (I don't understand my own clubs situation) but I don't understand how Cobh are in trouble. From what I can make out their attendances are approx double last season & more or less same squad...

They apparantly doubled the wages of last season's squad and budgeted for crowds of 1200-1500.

**pete** · 13/08/2008, 5:53 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

If you're getting P60s and payslips (as clubs, as any business, are required by law to do, and given the recent Revenue audits, they'd want to be morons not to be doing it), they're being paid gross. End of story. The club has either paid the tax or has a tax creditor to pay.

I am not suggesting any one is dodging tax but if a player is on say E500 a week from an LOI club that is not the real cost to the club. He is really paid probably E700 but gets E500 after tax. Like most people I am paid gross & while the employer deducts PAYE the fact I have small, large or no tax free allowances is not part of contracts or negotiations.

**pineapple stu** · 13/08/2008, 6:00 PM

I would imagine most part-time players have no tax allowance or credits (apart from students and the unemployed obviously). It's really not that difficult to work out. It's not the problem to the league's ills and should stop being mentioned as such.

Back on topic, the story of their treasurer resigning the day they signed four players springs to mind. There seem to be some awful gobsh!tes running clubs in this league.

**passerrby** · 13/08/2008, 6:07 PM

Originally Posted by pcplod

The players were not asked to take out loan they were simply given the option to give �2000 to club in exchange for a season ticket for five years. All members have been given this option and it was also made available to employees. It is just one of the many things that are being done to help out the club financially but as always it has been blown out of all proportion.

so if he plays for you his season ticket is no good to him as he gets in for free (i Hope) and if he is sacked ,let go ,whatever he will go to another club so will not be able to or wish to attend games so this season ticket makes no sense.

**eamoss** · 13/08/2008, 6:21 PM

Was there not uproar at the start of the season from the PFAI when a Dundalk failed to pay players (when in fact the where going to get paid on a Monday and not a Thursday like they had been paid previously)?

But now there is numerous clubs that cant pay players and not a peep from the PFAI.

WTF?

**passerrby** · 13/08/2008, 6:28 PM

serious question pc but what happened to the sunderland cash cow

**pcplod** · 13/08/2008, 6:36 PM

The cash raised form the game is being used to run club for remander of season. This idea of getting people to give €2000 is to clear creditors so we can start new season with a clean slate.

I know players cant use seaon tickets but what is stopping their families from using it if purchased i am sure it wont go to waste and will help keep there weekly income alive along with the club

**passerrby** · 13/08/2008, 6:52 PM

fair play i hope it works out for you but cant help feeling it was handled badley and gives more ammo to the knockers of the league

**luka** · 13/08/2008, 7:03 PM

Originally Posted by pcplod

The cash raised form the game is being used to run club for remander of season. This idea of getting people to give €2000 is to clear creditors so we can start new season with a clean slate.

I know players cant use seaon tickets but what is stopping their families from using it if purchased i am sure it wont go to waste and will help keep there weekly income alive along with the club

I think the Ramblers players already get two season comps (Player Passes) for their family.

**passerrby** · 13/08/2008, 7:08 PM

someone just mentioned to me that all eircom league players are giving passes from the fai/pfai ??? that allows them into eircom league games is that the case.

**Battery Rover** · 13/08/2008, 7:59 PM

I think it is only members of the PFAI

**Shiba** · 13/08/2008, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

Wouldn't count on UCD getting relegated and there has been no financial problems with Limerick FC this year (that have emerged anyway), kudos do need to be given to Rovers, Bray and UCD for not being complete morons in the Premier League though and personally I think the FAI should be looking at points deductions for clubs like Galway, Sligo, Cobh and Cork for breaching the wage rules

At the moment people are looking to a solution to the financial problems facing most clubs.At this time I dont think deducting points are going to solve.I think if you want your team in premier division try hope they get there on merit and not by default.Don't be fool by what you see all clubs are in trouble even the so called " Big Clubs".

**pete** · 13/08/2008, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Back on topic, the story of their treasurer resigning the day they signed four players springs to mind. There seem to be some awful gobsh!tes running clubs in this league.

We have an extensive off the pitch permanent staff including promotions, marketing, operations, commercial & CEO and still in a mess so its not just volunteers messing up.

**Schumi** · 14/08/2008, 9:53 AM

Originally Posted by Mr A

I think what will save the clubs is that so many have hit problems. The FAI are unlikely to deduct points from all of them, but I think I heard that it would be the end of the season before such measures are looked at.

They could just award extra points to clubs who aren't spending money they don't have.

**pineapple stu** · 14/08/2008, 9:57 AM

Originally Posted by pcplod

This idea of getting people to give €2000 is to clear creditors so we can start new season with a clean slate.

Cos that's the cure to all ills. Clear the slate so we can start writing on it again...

(Not a bad idea if you learn from your lessons obviously. It's just that it seems to be everyone's excuse. Sligo trying it at the moment as well - raise E130k so we can continue on like this. Nonsense.)