Worst Irish 11 since 1980

**jmurphyc** · 01/04/2008, 9:28 PM

Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Bonner
Morris
Harte
Kernaghan (c)
Babb
Mc Goldrick
Miller
Healy
Douglas
Connolly
Morrisson

I always liked Healy. I didn't get to see too much of him, but I thought he was just unlucky with injuries and always looked a good prospect. Also, I'm not Morrison's biggest fan, but I think it's also very harsh to include him in our worst 11 since 1980. For example, Doherty has not been as good for us (though I wouldn't include him in a worst 11 either).

**gustavo** · 01/04/2008, 9:34 PM

Originally Posted by BigmanCas

Bonner

Morris

Harte
Kernaghan (c)
Babb
Mc Goldrick
Miller
Healy
Douglas
Connolly
Morrisson

Morrison shouldnt be anywhere near that list

**Qwerty** · 01/04/2008, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Morbo

Are you just kicking Stan while he is down or do you really believe he is one of the worst 11 since 1980?

Yes

Although he wasn't the worst left sided midfielder we had obviously he is well behind Duff, Sheedy and Galvin who were the other regulars going back 20-30 years. He was the Kilbane of his day. Good left back but remember he lost out to David Burrows at Liverpool, decent center back in his twilight years but never a top notch midfielder. Limited and played with passion, but yes I am kicking him while he is down

**Qwerty** · 01/04/2008, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by jbyrne

i have to ask if you ever watched Ireland play in the early 90s?

Yes did you? Morris couldn't cross to save his granny's life.

**Shedender81** · 01/04/2008, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by DeNiro

Curtis Fleming was a decent player. I wouldn't have him in a worst XI. I would take him ahead of John O'Shea. I could think of the likes of Davy Savage, Barry Quinn, etc. These guys got a few caps and were really limited players.

John O'Shea has just played in the CL 1/4 Final.... You would really pick Curtis Fleming a nice guy that is... but you cant be a serious football person

**tetsujin1979** · 02/04/2008, 12:34 AM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

John O'Shea has just played in the CL 1/4 Final.... You would really pick Curtis Fleming a nice guy that is... but you cant be a serious football person

Fleming's a legend at Boro, when Robson took over, he switched Fleming to the opposite flank and he played just as well.

**Dodge** · 02/04/2008, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

John O'Shea has just played in the CL 1/4 Final.... You would really pick Curtis Fleming a nice guy that is... but you cant be a serious football person

George Best never played in the world cup so he can't be world class...

Scandalous comments by some here. Bonnar the worst keeper?

**DeNiro** · 02/04/2008, 8:07 AM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

John O'Shea has just played in the CL 1/4 Final.... You would really pick Curtis Fleming a nice guy that is... but you cant be a serious football person

He played indeed, after he was brought on. Which means he wasn't good enough in the first place. Fleming, who I saw in nearly all in his Irish appearances, was a good player. Solid and didn't turn his back on the ball when the opposition had frees if I remember correctly.

**Shedender81** · 02/04/2008, 9:10 AM

Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Fleming's a legend at Boro, when Robson took over, he switched Fleming to the opposite flank and he played just as well.

Was that in the team that was relegated

**Shedender81** · 02/04/2008, 9:11 AM

Originally Posted by Dodge

George Best never played in the world cup so he can't be world class...

Scandalous comments by some here. Bonnar the worst keeper?

Bonner was shocking at times for Ireland.... bottled in 3 massive games...

**gustavo** · 02/04/2008, 9:15 AM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

Bonner was shocking at times for Ireland.... bottled in 3 massive games...

And yet was deemed better than all competition for a decade and a half

**tetsujin1979** · 02/04/2008, 9:18 AM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

Was that in the team that was relegated

And the team that was promoted. Robson brought in a whole new squad of players with the millions he had to play with, and Fleming was one of the few that survived the cull

**adamcarr** · 02/04/2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by jmurphyc

I always liked Healy. I didn't get to see too much of him, but I thought he was just unlucky with injuries and always looked a good prospect. Also, I'm not Morrison's biggest fan, but I think it's also very harsh to include him in our worst 11 since 1980. For example, Doherty has not been as good for us (though I wouldn't include him in a worst 11 either).

If Healy was as bad as he is now then Id have him in the list.

**Wolfie** · 02/04/2008, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

Says a lot about Trigger that in 50 games you can only remember 3 things... and two were in his first 3 or 4 games !!

I also remember Macedonia and him kicking a player in the chest and getting a RED card. I would say of all the 50 caps players that we have had he is the without doubt the WORST !!!

Well, its 3 arbitrary things that sprung immediately to mind in addition to his performances against Holland away in 2000 and his goal against the Dutch in 2001.

If you remember Macedonia as well - you'll be aware that the match he scored in was Macedonia at home. The kicking incident occurred against Macedonia away. An entirely different match.

This thread is not titled "The worst Ireland players to have amassed 50 caps or more".

**youngirish** · 02/04/2008, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

John O'Shea has just played in the CL 1/4 Final....

Unfortunately this doesn't change the fact that he's pure drivel.

**Shedender81** · 02/04/2008, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Wolfie

Well, its 3 arbitrary things that sprung immediately to mind in addition to his performances against Holland away in 2000 and his goal against the Dutch in 2001.

If you remember Macedonia as well - you'll be aware that the match he scored in was Macedonia at home. The kicking incident occurred against Macedonia away. An entirely different match.

This thread is not titled "The worst Ireland players to have amassed 50 caps or more".

Did i say it was the same game... the mere fact we are mentioning so few incidents backs up the feeling he was overrated . over used and was in fact basically a footballing gypo who to be honest would have rather played for England

**Wolfie** · 02/04/2008, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

Did i say it was the same game... the mere fact we are mentioning so few incidents backs up the feeling he was overrated . over used and was in fact basically a footballing gypo who to be honest would have rather played for England

Not bad enough to feature in a worst Irish 11 since 1980.

**gustavo** · 02/04/2008, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

Did i say it was the same game... the mere fact we are mentioning so few incidents backs up the feeling he was overrated . over used and was in fact basically a footballing gypo who to be honest would have rather played for England

So would Townsend but you still managed to find a place on your bench for your best XI so I don't see why you are using that as a reason to discredit McAteer

**Shedender81** · 02/04/2008, 1:58 PM

Originally Posted by gustavo

So would Townsend but you still managed to find a place on your bench for your best XI so I don't see why you are using that as a reason to discredit McAteer

Andy Townsend played with courage , honour and integrity , Can any of these be applied to the second rate midfielder

**tetsujin1979** · 02/04/2008, 2:26 PM

Originally Posted by Shedender81

Andy Townsend played with courage , honour and integrity , Can any of these be applied to the second rate midfielder

McAteer isn't amongst the best players ever to wear the green, but he played with heart, and scored probably the most famous Irish goal in the last 10 years. If nothing else, he was passionate about playing for Ireland, something which most posters seem to think is lacking from the recent squads. There are certainly worse players to have played right wing for Ireland.