Tribunal Newsflash - Bertie's money

**dahamsta** · 21/03/2008, 1:56 PM

Of course none of the Fianna Failers have the balls to defend him anyway, they've been consistently covering their slimey asses with the "wait for the tribunal to finish" line. The only ones that come close are the "outside the remit" fellas. That line is wearing increasingly thin.

adam

**rebs23** · 21/03/2008, 2:11 PM

The crooked slimeball just has to go. Its unbelievable that the Greens are keeping this man in power.

**pete** · 21/03/2008, 3:05 PM

I now realise why he denied sterling transactions. You can't explain sterling transactions away as personla savings or salary cheques.

The logical conclusion now is that Seems Bertie is now on the chop for money laundering & tax evasion. Hardly the first time he guilty of tax evasion but harder to explain sterling sums. Maybe he will come up with another Manchester dinner hand outs? Can this explain payments spread across 6 months.

Bertie has behaved very cowardly in allowing his former secretary almost dig herself in perjury situation defending his lies.

He will probably hang on & try to get the Lisbon Treaty pased before he slips away during the Dail summer holidays...?

**ramsfan** · 24/03/2008, 5:21 AM

he really hung his secretary out to dry the poor woman was a sacrificial lamb to the slaughter, he is quickly falling into the rayburke charlie haughey class

**noby** · 25/03/2008, 7:58 AM

Bertie had some of his salary cheques converted into sterling, changed back into punts, and then lodged to building society accounts.

Aah, that clears up that matter so.

**Lionel Ritchie** · 25/03/2008, 8:40 AM

Christ he could've at least tried a "sold my car to some guy from Newry" story.

**John83** · 25/03/2008, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by noby

Bertie had some of his salary cheques converted into sterling, changed back into punts, and then lodged to building society accounts.

Aah, that clears up that matter so.

Damn. I had money on, "Fell off the back of a lorry."

**jebus** · 25/03/2008, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by noby

Bertie had some of his salary cheques converted into sterling, changed back into punts, and then lodged to building society accounts.

Aah, that clears up that matter so.

This gets more like a South Park episode each week

**pete** · 25/03/2008, 12:39 PM

An outline of Mr Ahern's planned new strategy was provided yesterday by a highly-placed source. But he declined to specify why the Taoiseach would convert Irish cheques into sterling, then reconvert them to Irish pounds and lodge them, after paying foreign exchange charges and commissions on each transaction.

"There are perfectly legitimate reasons why things happened the way they did," the source insisted.

Reads like "perfectly legitimate reasons which we have not found yet, but give us time..." Maybe they will have a competition for any one that can suggest the best reason. Converting money into different currencies & moving between accounts is standard money laundering practice.

Of course to prove this he will need to show records of transactions showing his salary cheques converted into sterling. He will need transactions within the the correct time frame & also need Irish Permanent record showing the exact conversion. Without access to the building society records no guarantees this can hold up when examined.

Seems to be classic example of using a lie to hide a lie. When that does not work need a new lie & so on...

**Superhoops** · 25/03/2008, 6:37 PM

Originally Posted by pete

Reads like "perfectly legitimate reasons which we have not found yet, but give us time..." Maybe they will have a competition for any one that can suggest the best reason. Converting money into different currencies & moving between accounts is standard money laundering practice....

Sure what's all the fuss about, it's only a few auld quid

**pete** · 27/03/2008, 12:56 PM

Mary Hanafin said he has the 100% support of the cabinet.

Seems the Taoiseach is not going to clarify recent inaccuracies until his next Tribunal appearance in 2 months. is that enough time to come up with a verifiable reason/excuse?

BTW FF posters have been very quiet since the secretary incident occured...

**noby** · 27/03/2008, 1:21 PM

Mary Harney isn't so sure.

"What I am saying is that the public disquiet has to be dispelled, and that is a matter for the Taoiseach, and only the Taoiseach can dispel that public disquiet"

A bit guarded, but better than nothing.

**pete** · 27/03/2008, 2:11 PM

Originally Posted by noby

Mary Harney isn't so sure.

"What I am saying is that the public disquiet has to be dispelled, and that is a matter for the Taoiseach, and only the Taoiseach can dispel that public disquiet"

A bit guarded, but better than nothing.

PDs growing a pair?

**noby** · 27/03/2008, 2:15 PM

Let's see what the Greens follow that with. Another 'wait and see' I reckon.

**monutdfc** · 27/03/2008, 3:30 PM

John sees Mary, but she's definitely holding an ace having got there before him
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/0327/mahon.html
I'd say he wasn't expecting that from Mary, he might have taken her for granted as she is so determined to push through her Americanisation of our health services.

**jebus** · 27/03/2008, 5:07 PM

The Greens will come out of this coalition the worse for wear due to Gormley's delayed reaction on the Tribunal and their flip flopping on issues such as the contruction work in Tara since they have been in power. They'll go down the drain with the PDs once Fianna Fail is done with them I reckon

**Lim till i die** · 27/03/2008, 6:44 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

The Greens will come out of this coalition the worse for wear due to Gormley's delayed reaction on the Tribunal and their flip flopping on issues such as the contruction work in Tara since they have been in power. They'll go down the drain with the PDs once Fianna Fail is done with them I reckon

The best thing to come out of this whole mess is that the useless, yuppie, good for nothing, pontificating, out of touch with reality, painfully middle class Green Party is finished as a political force in this country.

And lets hope it stays that way for a long, long time.

**jebus** · 27/03/2008, 7:10 PM

Originally Posted by Lim till i die

The best thing to come out of this whole mess is that the useless, yuppie, good for nothing, pontificating, out of touch with reality, painfully middle class Green Party is finished as a political force in this country.

And lets hope it stays that way for a long, long time.

Agreed, actually now that I think of it, Bertie has single handedly taken out the two most pointless parties in Ireland in the PDs and the Greens, if he destroys Fianna Fail, and damages the creditability of big parties in general, ala Fine Gael, then he'll be a personal hero of mine

**SligoBrewer** · 30/03/2008, 6:57 PM

Originally Posted by jebus

Agreed, actually now that I think of it, Bertie has single handedly taken out the two most pointless parties in Ireland in the PDs and the Greens, if he destroys Fianna Fail, and damages the creditability of big parties in general, ala Fine Gael, then he'll be a personal hero of mine

What party do you vote for if you mind me asking?

Labour?
Socialist?

**Macy** · 31/03/2008, 7:40 AM

Originally Posted by pete

Of course to prove this he will need to show records of transactions showing his salary cheques converted into sterling. He will need transactions within the the correct time frame & also need Irish Permanent record showing the exact conversion. Without access to the building society records no guarantees this can hold up when examined.

I'm sure these transactions will be at either AIB or BofI. And we've already seen how great their record keeping, and their managers memories are, in regard to Bertie. So unless this is some kind of bridge too far for them, expect alot of "probablies" but no "yes we have the records, no the transactions didn't take place". That's not how they are operating in this case...

Originally Posted by jebus

The Greens will come out of this coalition the worse for wear due to Gormley's delayed reaction on the Tribunal and their flip flopping on issues such as the contruction work in Tara since they have been in power. They'll go down the drain with the PDs once Fianna Fail is done with them I reckon

Not so sure - they seemed to have done alright with the policy of saying they weren't the watchdogs of FF and concentrating on their portfolio's. As ever, the electorate a bit absent minded about what they were saying pre-election. However, having eventually been forced into saying something on it by the O'Malley statement (NOT by Harney who had no choice to say something), Gormless has opened the Greens to questioning the whole time. His mistake could've been to comment at all beyond the usual "we have faith in the tribunal and will await it's report". The public don't care about principles - yesterdays further rises in the opinion polls for the greens yesterday show that.

btw Anyone see Coughlan last night on The Week in Politics? Wouldn't say she believed Bert and also bizarrely tried to claim that all these questions about Bert were out before the election. Lets be clear, only the Manchester dig out money was in the public domain pre-election - he wasn't judged on what we know now.