Elvery's Super League 2008

[renovater]

Quote "My hope for this year league is that clubs could reduce handing over silly fines to The Mayo League, and the league would look at clubs as football clubs rather than "Milking Machines"

Well said Renovator. However I dont think the current Management Committee will ever see clubs as anything but. Recent fines for non attendance at amateur review a typical example. Heard most clubs paid that fine, also heard that they shouldn't have and should have told league to go and jump as the ruling on the fine is very dubious. I understand that the league needs money to develope the game locally but at what cost to the goodwill between clubs and league?

I dont no if clubs paid that fine, The League were not entitle to send out the fine.
As the League can only fine clubs for what is in there rules.There nothing in there rules regarding reviews set by someone other than the League.

[Redkenrover]

I dont no if clubs paid that fine, The League were not entitle to send out the fine.
As the League can only fine clubs for what is in there rules.There nothing in there rules regarding reviews set by someone other than the League.

Made some enquiries and have found out for certain that most clubs did in fact pay the fine. Problem would have been to get these clubs to stick together and take on the league.
There would have been the usual outrage followed by the "well sure what can we do" attitude. I agree that as it was not a delegates meeting it would be difficult to uphold the fine and would be interested to see a view on the legallity of it. Any budding lawyers out there??
You can only be penalised for breaking specific Mayo League rules. On that note I see they collected over €20,000 in fines last season.

[Leveller]

YA. its hard to see westport losing there grip on the super leageue !! thats with celtic playing in the u-20 leageue!!

Its a big difference playing a pack of 20 year olds to grown men, can they make the step out of the cosy protective cloak of the underrage structures?

This is being used regularly as an excuse now that some of Celtics best players are playing U20.

Anyway how many of them are from Castlebar?

How many Westport players (or beyond) are in their U20 squad?

Not to mention the motley crue of assorted players from different Mayo clubs in their junior and underrage structures?

Take out these players and they would struggle to compete in the SL.

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Its a big difference playing a pack of 20 year olds to grown men, can they make the step out of the cosy protective cloak of the underrage structures?

This is being used regularly as an excuse now that some of Celtics best players are playing U20.

Anyway how many of them are from Castlebar?

How many Westport players (or beyond) are in their U20 squad?

Not to mention the motley crue of assorted players from different Mayo clubs in their junior and underrage structures?

Take out these players and they would struggle to compete in the SL.

Love the above Post. Hope I can reply to all:I think the U-20 have shown they can compete at Junior level with this years run in the Junior & Connacht cups, plus the won the AIB cup and IMO competed well with Utd.
Are you jealous of all our Underage success? So you want to bring in the GAA rules only play for the parish. It’s not our fault if players from other clubs want to play for Celtic youths. All big clubs have players from different parts of the county and beyond playing for them. We have a progressive youth policy and judge a team on if they are good enough to win a connacht or national title. We have only one Ex Utd player playing at Celtic Danny Fallon and a good one he is. Sure wont you benefit from all he has leaned at Celtic in years ahead. As for U-20 team (Not all mentioned below would be involved with the U-20 squad) we would have 8 players who would have played for other clubs before joining Celtic (lot more than I taught): Josh Tierney started with our U-14 as did D. McNicholas When can we call them Celtic players. N. Walsh (U-15) S Wallce started with our U-17. Price & McNicholas came in at U-18, D. Fallon at U-16 & Mattie Hamilton (U-17). With regard to your suggestion that if Celtic only could use players who started with the club we could name the following team from season 07/08: GK: Robert Hennelly or Colm Gavin: Defenders: Aidan Walsh, Ger O’Boyle: Sean Reilly, Stevie Ryan, Fintan McHale, James Minogue, Darren Gavin, Ciaran Hopkins, Paul Walsh, Ger McDonagh, MF: Sean McHale, Pat Fitzgerald, Eoin Torpey, Niall O’Hara, Ioseph Reilly, Darragh Ainsworth, Shane Hynes, Kevin Curry, Rory Irwin: Strikers: Neil Douglas, Paul Curry, Russell Gibbons, Shane Smyth, Peter Dravins. Not to mention Stevie Gavin, Niall Gallagher, Barry McLoughlin, Declan & Alan Reilly as well as Ronan O’Boyle, David Joyce & Tom King. I didn’t even look at some of our B team squad. I would say most clubs would be happy to have this squad of players to pick from and you think they would struggle in the SL. Wishful thinking. Celtic U-12s have competed in 5 of the last 7 Connacht finals never mind all the Mayo titles won in the last ten years. We are an open club and welcome all who want to join no matter where they come from. By the way our U-12 (Mayo League & Cup winners) team will face Irelands top U-12 team Cherry orchard in Celtic tomorrow at 12 noon. Should be a cracker and a great opportunity to see the how the new Celtic stars of the future are shaping up. I hope they dont freeze.

[the grape vine]

Love the above Post. Hope I can reply to all:I think the U-20 have shown they can compete at Junior level with this years run in the Junior & Connacht cups, plus the won the AIB cup and IMO competed well with Utd.
Are you jealous of all our Underage success? So you want to bring in the GAA rules only play for the parish. It’s not our fault if players from other clubs want to play for Celtic youths. All big clubs have players from different parts of the county and beyond playing for them. We have a progressive youth policy and judge a team on if they are good enough to win a connacht or national title. We have only one Ex Utd player playing at Celtic Danny Fallon and a good one he is. Sure wont you benefit from all he has leaned at Celtic in years ahead. As for U-20 team (Not all mentioned below would be involved with the U-20 squad) we would have 8 players who would have played for other clubs before joining Celtic (lot more than I taught): Josh Tierney started with our U-14 as did D. McNicholas When can we call them Celtic players. N. Walsh (U-15) S Wallce started with our U-17. Price & McNicholas came in at U-18, D. Fallon at U-16 & Mattie Hamilton (U-17). With regard to your suggestion that if Celtic only could use players who started with the club we could name the following team from season 07/08: GK: Robert Hennelly or Colm Gavin: Defenders: Aidan Walsh, Ger O’Boyle: Sean Reilly, Stevie Ryan, Fintan McHale, James Minogue, Darren Gavin, Ciaran Hopkins, Paul Walsh, Ger McDonagh, MF: Sean McHale, Pat Fitzgerald, Eoin Torpey, Niall O’Hara, Ioseph Reilly, Darragh Ainsworth, Shane Hynes, Kevin Curry, Rory Irwin: Strikers: Neil Douglas, Paul Curry, Russell Gibbons, Shane Smyth, Peter Dravins. Not to mention Stevie Gavin, Niall Gallagher, Barry McLoughlin, Declan & Alan Reilly as well as Ronan O’Boyle, David Joyce & Tom King. I didn’t even look at some of our B team squad. I would say most clubs would be happy to have this squad of players to pick from and you think they would struggle in the SL. Wishful thinking. Celtic U-12s have competed in 5 of the last 7 Connacht finals never mind all the Mayo titles won in the last ten years. We are an open club and welcome all who want to join no matter where they come from. By the way our U-12 (Mayo League & Cup winners) team will face Irelands top U-12 team Cherry orchard in Celtic tomorrow at 12 noon. Should be a cracker and a great opportunity to see the how the new Celtic stars of the future are shaping up. I hope they dont freeze.

great reply CT !!

[Leveller]

Love the above Post. Hope I can reply to all:I think the U-20 have shown they can compete at Junior level with this years run in the Junior & Connacht cups, plus the won the AIB cup and IMO competed well with Utd.
Are you jealous of all our Underage success? So you want to bring in the GAA rules only play for the parish. It’s not our fault if players from other clubs want to play for Celtic youths. All big clubs have players from different parts of the county and beyond playing for them. We have a progressive youth policy and judge a team on if they are good enough to win a connacht or national title. We have only one Ex Utd player playing at Celtic Danny Fallon and a good one he is. Sure wont you benefit from all he has leaned at Celtic in years ahead. As for U-20 team (Not all mentioned below would be involved with the U-20 squad) we would have 8 players who would have played for other clubs before joining Celtic (lot more than I taught): Josh Tierney started with our U-14 as did D. McNicholas When can we call them Celtic players. N. Walsh (U-15) S Wallce started with our U-17. Price & McNicholas came in at U-18, D. Fallon at U-16 & Mattie Hamilton (U-17). With regard to your suggestion that if Celtic only could use players who started with the club we could name the following team from season 07/08: GK: Robert Hennelly or Colm Gavin: Defenders: Aidan Walsh, Ger O’Boyle: Sean Reilly, Stevie Ryan, Fintan McHale, James Minogue, Darren Gavin, Ciaran Hopkins, Paul Walsh, Ger McDonagh, MF: Sean McHale, Pat Fitzgerald, Eoin Torpey, Niall O’Hara, Ioseph Reilly, Darragh Ainsworth, Shane Hynes, Kevin Curry, Rory Irwin: Strikers: Neil Douglas, Paul Curry, Russell Gibbons, Shane Smyth, Peter Dravins. Not to mention Stevie Gavin, Niall Gallagher, Barry McLoughlin, Declan & Alan Reilly as well as Ronan O’Boyle, David Joyce & Tom King. I didn’t even look at some of our B team squad. I would say most clubs would be happy to have this squad of players to pick from and you think they would struggle in the SL. Wishful thinking. Celtic U-12s have competed in 5 of the last 7 Connacht finals never mind all the Mayo titles won in the last ten years. We are an open club and welcome all who want to join no matter where they come from. By the way our U-12 (Mayo League & Cup winners) team will face Irelands top U-12 team Cherry orchard in Celtic tomorrow at 12 noon. Should be a cracker and a great opportunity to see the how the new Celtic stars of the future are shaping up. I hope they dont freeze.

Fitzjerald and Torphy? You can subtract them two from your squad.

You are an open club all right. If these players are as good in the past as you say, why was your club bringing in former LOI players to play for their first team?

With underage,you can win all the titles you want, but how many will make it at senior level? We might not have set the world alight at underage but our players came through to win us the Junior cup.

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Fitzjerald and Torphy? You can subtract them two from your squad.

You are an open club all right. If these players are as good in the past as you say, why was your club bringing in former LOI players to play for their first team?

With underage,you can win all the titles you want, but how many will make it at senior level? We might not have set the world alight at underage but our players came through to win us the Junior cup.

Can you explain why pat & Eoin should be excluded from this group. Pat Fitz born in Castlebar, goes to school in Castlebar can’t remember him playing for Westport. Are you saying he is from Westport come on man get real? Just to miss quote Wellington ''just because you live in a barn doesn’t mean you are a horse''. Eoin Torpey started with Celtic U-9's won his first Schoolboys cap as a Celtic player. Played 2 to 3 games for Utd at U-16 and came back to his club. How is he a Westport player? Ok you won the Junior cup and a great achievement it was but you can’t live in the past you have to move on. The players I listed were signed by the club last year along with Kelly (U-21), Maughan (U-21), Wallace, Flynn, Burke & Neary. Most of the players listed in my last post have just come into the senior squad this season and have added to the seniors players. These young lads have already made an impact as senior level, do you not remember the AIB cup final, Man of the Match U-17 player Niall Walsh, Celtic goal scored by U-18 Pat Fitz, Left full U-19 Ger O'Boyle, midfield U-19 Shane Hynes, Sean McHale U-21, John Maughan U-21 and Peno shoot-out hero U-18 keeper Josh Tierney. Look at the age of the Celtic players on the OT squad 2 U-21, 2 U-19, 2 U-18 (not the same 2 players) & 1 U-17. So the Youths have not made an impact. So if thats not enough fair point.

[irishyop]

Love the above Post. Hope I can reply to all:I think the U-20 have shown they can compete at Junior level with this years run in the Junior & Connacht cups, plus the won the AIB cup and IMO competed well with Utd.
Are you jealous of all our Underage success? So you want to bring in the GAA rules only play for the parish. It’s not our fault if players from other clubs want to play for Celtic youths. All big clubs have players from different parts of the county and beyond playing for them. We have a progressive youth policy and judge a team on if they are good enough to win a connacht or national title. We have only one Ex Utd player playing at Celtic Danny Fallon and a good one he is. Sure wont you benefit from all he has leaned at Celtic in years ahead. As for U-20 team (Not all mentioned below would be involved with the U-20 squad) we would have 8 players who would have played for other clubs before joining Celtic (lot more than I taught): Josh Tierney started with our U-14 as did D. McNicholas When can we call them Celtic players. N. Walsh (U-15) S Wallce started with our U-17. Price & McNicholas came in at U-18, D. Fallon at U-16 & Mattie Hamilton (U-17). With regard to your suggestion that if Celtic only could use players who started with the club we could name the following team from season 07/08: GK: Robert Hennelly or Colm Gavin: Defenders: Aidan Walsh, Ger O’Boyle: Sean Reilly, Stevie Ryan, Fintan McHale, James Minogue, Darren Gavin, Ciaran Hopkins, Paul Walsh, Ger McDonagh, MF: Sean McHale, Pat Fitzgerald, Eoin Torpey, Niall O’Hara, Ioseph Reilly, Darragh Ainsworth, Shane Hynes, Kevin Curry, Rory Irwin: Strikers: Neil Douglas, Paul Curry, Russell Gibbons, Shane Smyth, Peter Dravins. Not to mention Stevie Gavin, Niall Gallagher, Barry McLoughlin, Declan & Alan Reilly as well as Ronan O’Boyle, David Joyce & Tom King. I didn’t even look at some of our B team squad. I would say most clubs would be happy to have this squad of players to pick from and you think they would struggle in the SL. Wishful thinking. Celtic U-12s have competed in 5 of the last 7 Connacht finals never mind all the Mayo titles won in the last ten years. We are an open club and welcome all who want to join no matter where they come from. By the way our U-12 (Mayo League & Cup winners) team will face Irelands top U-12 team Cherry orchard in Celtic tomorrow at 12 noon. Should be a cracker and a great opportunity to see the how the new Celtic stars of the future are shaping up. I hope they dont freeze.

LOL, great comeback. You would swear you were involved with Celtic there CT

CT 1 up

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LOL, great comeback. You would swear you were involved with Celtic there CT

CT 1 up

surely thats 2 that hes up??!!

[ExCiTeD]

Love the above Post. Hope I can reply to all:I think the U-20 have shown they can compete at Junior level with this years run in the Junior & Connacht cups, plus the won the AIB cup and IMO competed well with Utd.
Are you jealous of all our Underage success? So you want to bring in the GAA rules only play for the parish. It’s not our fault if players from other clubs want to play for Celtic youths. All big clubs have players from different parts of the county and beyond playing for them. We have a progressive youth policy and judge a team on if they are good enough to win a connacht or national title. We have only one Ex Utd player playing at Celtic Danny Fallon and a good one he is. Sure wont you benefit from all he has leaned at Celtic in years ahead. As for U-20 team (Not all mentioned below would be involved with the U-20 squad) we would have 8 players who would have played for other clubs before joining Celtic (lot more than I taught): Josh Tierney started with our U-14 as did D. McNicholas When can we call them Celtic players. N. Walsh (U-15) S Wallce started with our U-17. Price & McNicholas came in at U-18, D. Fallon at U-16 & Mattie Hamilton (U-17). With regard to your suggestion that if Celtic only could use players who started with the club we could name the following team from season 07/08: GK: Robert Hennelly or Colm Gavin: Defenders: Aidan Walsh, Ger O’Boyle: Sean Reilly, Stevie Ryan, Fintan McHale, James Minogue, Darren Gavin, Ciaran Hopkins, Paul Walsh, Ger McDonagh, MF: Sean McHale, Pat Fitzgerald, Eoin Torpey, Niall O’Hara, Ioseph Reilly, Darragh Ainsworth, Shane Hynes, Kevin Curry, Rory Irwin: Strikers: Neil Douglas, Paul Curry, Russell Gibbons, Shane Smyth, Peter Dravins. Not to mention Stevie Gavin, Niall Gallagher, Barry McLoughlin, Declan & Alan Reilly as well as Ronan O’Boyle, David Joyce & Tom King. I didn’t even look at some of our B team squad. I would say most clubs would be happy to have this squad of players to pick from and you think they would struggle in the SL. Wishful thinking. Celtic U-12s have competed in 5 of the last 7 Connacht finals never mind all the Mayo titles won in the last ten years. We are an open club and welcome all who want to join no matter where they come from. By the way our U-12 (Mayo League & Cup winners) team will face Irelands top U-12 team Cherry orchard in Celtic tomorrow at 12 noon. Should be a cracker and a great opportunity to see the how the new Celtic stars of the future are shaping up. I hope they dont freeze.

you just cant beat knowing your facts. superb!!!!!!!!!!!

[threefivetwo]

good man ct well said!!!! jealousy is an awful thing 4 them boys!!!! success comes from underage and celtic r the only team with a proper underage system and a gret one it is!!!! they have the medals to show!!!!! c'mon da celts!!!

[Leveller]

[quote=Closing Time;867852]Love the above Post. Hope I can reply to all:I think the U-20 have shown they can compete at Junior level with this years run in the Junior & Connacht cups, plus the won the AIB cup and IMO competed well with Utd.
Are you jealous of all our Underage success? So you want to bring in the GAA rules only play for the parish. It’s not our fault if players from other clubs want to play for Celtic youths. All big clubs have players from different parts of the county and beyond playing for them. We have a progressive youth policy and judge a team on if they are good enough to win a connacht or national title. We have only one Ex Utd player playing at Celtic Danny Fallon and a good one he is. Sure wont you benefit from all he has leaned at Celtic in years ahead. As for U-20 team (Not all mentioned below would be involved with the U-20 squad) we would have 8 players who would have played for other clubs before joining Celtic (lot more than I taught): Josh Tierney started with our U-14 as did D. McNicholas When can we call them Celtic players. N. Walsh (U-15) S Wallce started with our U-17. Price & McNicholas came in at U-18, D. Fallon at U-16 & Mattie Hamilton (U-17). With regard to your suggestion that if Celtic only could use players who started with the club we could name the following team from season 07/08: GK: Robert Hennelly or Colm Gavin: Defenders: Aidan Walsh, Ger O’Boyle: Sean Reilly, Stevie Ryan, Fintan McHale, James Minogue, Darren Gavin, Ciaran Hopkins, Paul Walsh, Ger McDonagh, MF: Sean McHale, Pat Fitzgerald, Eoin Torpey, Niall O’Hara, Ioseph Reilly, Darragh Ainsworth, Shane Hynes, Kevin Curry, Rory Irwin: Strikers: Neil Douglas, Paul Curry, Russell Gibbons, Shane Smyth, Peter Dravins. Not to mention Stevie Gavin, Niall Gallagher, Barry McLoughlin, Declan & Alan Reilly as well as Ronan O’Boyle, David Joyce & Tom King. I didn’t even look at some of our B team squad. I would say most clubs would be happy to have this squad of players to pick from and you think they would struggle in the SL. Wishful thinking. Celtic U-12s have competed in 5 of the last 7 Connacht finals never mind all the Mayo titles won in the last ten years. We are an open club and welcome all who want to join no matter where they come from. By the way our U-12 (Mayo League & Cup winners) team will face Irelands top U-12 team Cherry orchard in Celtic tomorrow at 12 noon. Should be a cracker and a great opportunity to see the how the new Celtic stars of the future are shaping up. I hope they dont freeze.[/quote

Most of us were born in castlebar, Fitz has roots in Westport, as do the other guys I mentioned. Mr Neary played for S&F?

If your team was (and is) so good in the past why did your club have to go and sign former LOI players along with Mr Neary/Paul Fitz (his dad is from Westport by the way) to fight your battles for you?

Because your club were sickened at the fact that we won the Junior Cup, and used a win at all costs policy which failed miserably in both the Junior Cup and Connacht Cup

Even with your academy being set up, we have, in spite of our lack of facilities, produced far better quality players than yourselves in recent years.

As for moving on, the club plan to have one of the best grounds in the country soon, and I believe the youth structure is being improved from what I am being told.

[juan pablo]

So who is favourites to win the Super League this coming season??

ANy word on fixtures??

[Leveller]

So who is favourites to win the Super League this coming season??

ANy word on fixtures??

Westport, Castlebar, or Ballina, with a strong challenges from Snugboro and possibly Erris.

[robben 11]

I see there is a change in structure of promotion/relagation, the team who finishes 3rd bottom in Super League goes into a Play-off against third placed in Premer Division, with Celtic b, and Westport B not able to go up is this making it more exciting?? or perhaps giving a lifeline of glory to teams who have played poor all year yet still could possibly make it into the superleague even though they have came 5th in the league???? i think its crazy.. i dont think Mayo League have thought this one through!

[the grape vine]

I see there is a change in structure of promotion/relagation, the team who finishes 3rd bottom in Super League goes into a Play-off against third placed in Premer Division, with Celtic b, and Westport B not able to go up is this making it more exciting?? or perhaps giving a lifeline of glory to teams who have played poor all year yet still could possibly make it into the superleague even though they have came 5th in the league???? i think its crazy.. i dont think Mayo League have thought this one through!

it's a joke, if celtic B , westport B and manualla B all finish in the top 5 that will mean the sixth team will have a chance of playing in the super leauge !! what a joke !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[couchpotato]

I see there is a change in structure of promotion/relagation, the team who finishes 3rd bottom in Super League goes into a Play-off against third placed in Premer Division, with Celtic b, and Westport B not able to go up is this making it more exciting?? or perhaps giving a lifeline of glory to teams who have played poor all year yet still could possibly make it into the superleague even though they have came 5th in the league???? i think its crazy.. i dont think Mayo League have thought this one through!

well said robben. if a team is not good enough to finish ahead of the second teams of celtic westport or manulla, how could the Mayo league possibly put them in against their first teams. no offence to the 2nd teams.

[Cloggs]

I see there is a change in structure of promotion/relagation, the team who finishes 3rd bottom in Super League goes into a Play-off against third placed in Premer Division, with Celtic b, and Westport B not able to go up is this making it more exciting?? or perhaps giving a lifeline of glory to teams who have played poor all year yet still could possibly make it into the superleague even though they have came 5th in the league???? i think its crazy.. i dont think Mayo League have thought this one through!

have to say that i agree with you on that one alright robben.its a mad call to make-surely if a team hasn't been good enough or consistent enough to finish in at least the top three then they shouldn't be afforded the possibility of going into the super league.in fairness you've seen what happens to most of the teams that get promoted to the super league-take glenhest for example-they walked the premier and now they're right back in the premier after relegation.it could well be to the detrement of some teams if they did manage to get there.look at conn rangers and how they've gone into serious decline since they were relegated from the super league.its a mad and baffling decision for the league to take.
did anything else interesting arise from the AGM the last night?

[juan pablo]

Westport 'B' team seemed to have a good number of players yesterday, we played them in a friendly in Milebush yesterday.

Have they entered a 3rd team in the League this year??

[renovater]

I see there is a change in structure of promotion/relagation, the team who finishes 3rd bottom in Super League goes into a Play-off against third placed in Premer Division, with Celtic b, and Westport B not able to go up is this making it more exciting?? or perhaps giving a lifeline of glory to teams who have played poor all year yet still could possibly make it into the superleague even though they have came 5th in the league???? i think its crazy.. i dont think Mayo League have thought this one through!

Well what can one add to this complicate position put on them by the League body.
If the league treated them as a team, rather than putting them in a situation as asking them to create a new club. this could be easier on all concerned.
In doing so, they would have a single team with in the club By naming a Panel Called "B" Team. These players can only play with this team, Can only transfer in the same way as any other team.
If this was to happen, then we could see "A" / "B" Teams playing in the same division. Rather than promoting teams, who are not fit to take there place.