Why no Inter-Toto thread

[paul_oshea]

Now lets get back to your original comment on typical Irish minnowism and does this include fans from Rovers travelling down to Cork on a Saturday night to support a Swedish team in Europe?

rebs there is no point arguing with him or NY hoop, ye never get anywhere, they dont understand.

[WeAreRovers]

I'll warrant that most Bohs and Pats fans on here wouldn't support other Irish teams in Europe. Similarly you'd be laughed out of court if you suggested the same to English, Swedish, Italian or Greek fans.

Even in other smaller leagues this kind of thing would be scorned. Can you see Linfield fans popping along to support the Glens or Cliftonville in Europe? Now that Aberdeen are back in Europe maybe some Hibs or Dundee Utd might support them?

My dad is from Roscommon and would support Galway or Mayo in an All Ireland final. I just don't understand it but he also only goes to the big games and then only if he thinks they might win. He also leaves matches early - he missed St Bridgets winning goal in the Connacht Final.

Now that's a 'real' Irish sports fan and supporting your rival in Europe reflects that mentality and has nothing to do with football culture as the rest of the world knows it.

KOH

[ifk101]

I'll warrant that most Bohs and Pats fans on here wouldn't support other Irish teams in Europe. Similarly you'd be laughed out of court if you suggested the same to English, Swedish, Italian or Greek fans.

Even in other smaller leagues this kind of thing would be scorned. Can you see Linfield fans popping along to support the Glens or Cliftonville in Europe? Now that Aberdeen are back in Europe maybe some Hibs or Dundee Utd might support them?

My dad is from Roscommon and would support Galway or Mayo in an All Ireland final. I just don't understand it but he also only goes to the big games and then only if he thinks they might win. He also leaves matches early - he missed St Bridgets winning goal in the Connacht Final.

Now that's a 'real' Irish sports fan and supporting your rival in Europe reflects that mentality and has nothing to do with football culture as the rest of the world knows it.

KOH

But would it not be better for Rovers if Cork "do well" in Europe? The longer Cork are involved in the Intertoto, the more matches they have to play and the larger the backlog of league matches. I'm sure you'd agree that it does not help any club's league chances if a backlog of matches builds up.

And financially, the Intertoto is no money spinner. I'm sure Cork will be happy if their European aventure breaks even.

And just so you know, there're plenty of examples on the Hammarby fans forum of fans from other Swedish clubs wishing them well.

[MyTown]

I hope Cork do so well against Hammarby that they've nothing left in the tank for next Tuesday's visit to Galway.

Somehow, I don;t think it will pan out that way.......

[Raheny Red]

What pishes me off most at this time of year is the fixation with the co-efs

[Dodge]

I'll warrant that most Bohs and Pats fans on here wouldn't support other Irish teams in Europe

Can't speak for the rest but I probably wouldn't. Wouldn't be upset if Cork won.

No way in hell would I want anything other than humiliation for Bohs, Shels or Shamrock.

What pishes me off most at this time of year is the fixation with the co-efs

Agree 10000000%

[The Good Son]

I don't know what all this fuss about Rovers fans coming down to support Hammarby is about. There's 17 of the Bologna 'Undici Leoni' group coming over to support City this weekend. If in the future, Bologna played Shamrock in Europe would it be wrong for City fans to travel up to Dublin to return the favour and support Bologna? I know I'd be there.
If all LOI teams except City got knocked out in 1st round, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, at the same time I wouldn't lose any sleep if they got through a couple of rounds. But if they got within reach of the money spinning rounds then you can be sure I'd be 100% hoping for them to go out.

[paudie]

Raheny Red
"What pishes me off most at this time of year is the fixation with the co-efs "

Agree 10000000%

Yeah, it's not like the coeficients affect seeding and St PAts not being seeded meant they got a tough draw in Europe

[Jerry The Saint]

Don't know what you're all talking about. No such club as Hammarby, son. The team's name is Idrottsförening.

[Dodge]

Its not the co-efficient I have a problem with, its the obsessing over them.

[GavinZac]

Its not the co-efficient I have a problem with, its the obsessing over them.

co-efficients are one of the most important factors in the progress of this league - more important than attendance figures or international recognition, tbh. only with regular progress to one or other of the group stages will people actually take notice of the league.

i can understand a pats fan not enjoying it though, not being involved except in derisive terms for their pathetic display in moldova.

[Dodge]

Nothing is more important than attendance figures Gavin...

[GavinZac]

Nothing is more important than attendance figures Gavin...

attendance figures are a byproduct of success.

[Dodge]

So is the co-efficient.

Check mate pedantor

[WeAreRovers]

I don't know what all this fuss about Rovers fans coming down to support Hammarby is about. There's 17 of the Bologna 'Undici Leoni' group coming over to support City this weekend. If in the future, Bologna played Shamrock in Europe would it be wrong for City fans to travel up to Dublin to return the favour and support Bologna? I know I'd be there.
If all LOI teams except City got knocked out in 1st round, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest, at the same time I wouldn't lose any sleep if they got through a couple of rounds. But if they got within reach of the money spinning rounds then you can be sure I'd be 100% hoping for them to go out.

At last some sanity is brought to the proceedings.

BTW I was in Bologna last week, cracking city. I'll be back at some stage.

KOH

[derm]

Can't speak for the rest but I probably wouldn't. Wouldn't be upset if Cork won.

No way in hell would I want anything other than humiliation for Bohs, Shels or Shamrock.

I'm a bit confused as how you can reconcile this with what you said on another thread:

Every single positive thing in the league should be used for maximum effect. Whther thats crowds improving, grounds improving, players getting international call ups or results in Europe, the more "good news" stories come out of the league, the easier it is to sell to sponsors, TV companies and more importantly fans.

You believe that positive European results are good for the league but want your Dublin rivals to be humiliated.

I for one will welcome the Bologna fans but would never support them over another Irish team in Europe, because it affects the image of my league and consequently my team. It may also affect the chance of my team being seeded in future rounds. Others can do the opposite if they like, but I would call that self-defeating pettiness rather than "sanity".

[pateen]

What time is kick off tomorrow?
I presume Redfm or rte medium wave will cover it??
Could see on redfm's website though

[razor]

What time is kick off tomorrow?
I presume Redfm or rte medium wave will cover it??
Could see on redfm's website though

KO is at 7.30pm, are you sure its not on the telly?

[derm]

What time is kick off tomorrow?
I presume Redfm or rte medium wave will cover it??
Could see on redfm's website though

7.30 ko, Not sure about radio coverage - Red FM may only have updates, ditto with 96FM, I doubt RTÉ will cover it.

[Dodge]

You believe that positive European results are good for the league but want your Dublin rivals to be humiliated.

Why the confusion? Good results for LOI clubs does reflect well on the league, and I believe that the FAI should highlight any good results the clubs obtain. Unquestionably, good results in europe help the league.

However, the welfare of the league is not the highest of my priorities in football. They go (roughly)

1) Pats being a success
2) Our rivals being failures

Oh sure I can be all high and mighty and claim that Shels qualifying for the champions league would be good for the league but the truth is I felt physically sick when Deportivo took so long to beat them a few years ago. I love Pats, I despise every club thats ever beaten Pats. I know that Shels winning 2 rounds in the CL helped the league, and I ****ing hated it.

I can't understand how any football fan can look on objectively...