Manhunt 2 Banned

[Aberdonian Stu]

The Law & Order thing is nonsense.

It is an old enough game. Double or Nothing, the game in question was released in 2003 and there's been a third one since.

I own the game and never noticed it, and yes I have finished it. The picture in question is impossible to make out as it's in the background of a shot and is tiny.

Also it's a common trait of both the TV series and games to refer to real crimes, including using well known images such as the one in question.

Seems like a right storm in a teacup.

[GavinZac]

Rockstar never intended for this game to come out, they know how to get their name in the press and i would bet that in GTA4 there is loads of references to manhunt 2. They make a super violent game for wii and ps2 only.. yeah right.

the game has already been made. it was reviewed on the nintendo website. it'll be available to buy in most markets on the expected dates.

[GavinZac]

(6) As to saying that I shouldn't bring my kids into shops if I don't like what they have on display on the magazine racks...well my point is that they have a right to go in and buy their Beanos etc but it is a pity that they have to see 'top shelf'mags .

they do not have a right to do anything of the sort, its a private establishment and if you disagree with what they sell or think its unsuitable, go support a business that you think serves you best. perhaps start one! rather than expecting the majority to pander to your wishes and circumstances through some kind of regulation, use the inherent power of the consumer, as a stakeholder, to put pressure on these companies. I obviously agree with you that kids shouldnt see those magazines but it is up to yourself to deal with it rather than us or the government.

[Calcio Jack]

they do not have a right to do anything of the sort, its a private establishment and if you disagree with what they sell or think its unsuitable, go support a business that you think serves you best. perhaps start one! rather than expecting the majority to pander to your wishes and circumstances through some kind of regulation, use the inherent power of the consumer, as a stakeholder, to put pressure on these companies. I obviously agree with you that kids shouldnt see those magazines but it is up to yourself to deal with it rather than us or the government.

You are of course correct in that they don't have a legal right per se. My point (again) is that IMO i think it is a pity that there isn't a better balance between good taste ie not having soft porn mags openly on view in newsagents or having them on view on the basis that adults have a right to have them available (although I suspect shop owners aren't that concerned with the right/wrongs but just with profits).

I haven't anywhere asked for the Goverment to deal with this issue and your comment that i should shop elsewhere isn't really a runner since every shop stocks said material.

All I 'm saying is that it's a pity kids are exposed to this kind of stuff and indeed you seem to acknowledge that when you say you agree that kids shouldn't see that kind of stuff.... so if you agree with that then surely you have to agre that it shouldn't be displayed or is it a case that you agree in principal but not in parctice ?

[anto1208]

You are of course correct in that they don't have a legal right per se. My point (again) is that IMO i think it is a pity that there isn't a better balance between good taste ie not having soft porn mags openly on view in newsagents or having them on view on the basis that adults have a right to have them available (although I suspect shop owners aren't that concerned with the right/wrongs but just with profits).

I haven't anywhere asked for the Goverment to deal with this issue and your comment that i should shop elsewhere isn't really a runner since every shop stocks said material.

All I 'm saying is that it's a pity kids are exposed to this kind of stuff and indeed you seem to acknowledge that when you say you agree that kids shouldn't see that kind of stuff.... so if you agree with that then surely you have to agre that it shouldn't be displayed or is it a case that you agree in principal but not in parctice ?

But again its you thats exposing them to these mags if your so concerned buy the comics for them them .

This is like the parents that complain about stuff being on TV thats unsuitable for there kids !! Turn the ******* thing off then

[Calcio Jack]

But again its you thats exposing them to these mags if your so concerned buy the comics for them them .

This is like the parents that complain about stuff being on TV thats unsuitable for there kids !! Turn the ******* thing off then

No it's not...an unsuitable TV programme is a standalone issue...ie you either think it's ok and let them watch it or you don't and you turn it off. Going into your local newsagents is a whole different issue ie kids go in wanting to buy comics sweets etc and are then confronted by soft porn , sure I can not allow them into a shop and go in and buy for them but I prefer to allow them to pick out their own stuff and oviousely I've made a judgement call that that is ok, I just think as things stand as a society we've lost something and IMO we're the worse off for it but hey that's the world we live in

[anto1208]

No it's not...an unsuitable TV programme is a standalone issue...ie you either think it's ok and let them watch it or you don't and you turn it off. Going into your local newsagents is a whole different issue ie kids go in wanting to buy comics sweets etc and are then confronted by soft porn , sure I can not allow them into a shop and go in and buy for them but I prefer to allow them to pick out their own stuff and oviousely I've made a judgement call that that is ok, I just think as things stand as a society we've lost something and IMO we're the worse off for it but hey that's the world we live in

So the choice is They go in to buy there sweets and get confronted with soft porn , Or you go in get there sweets and they dont get confronted with it .

You ve made a judgement call on that its ok to expose your kids to soft porn as they get to pick out there own sweets . If you know the risks yet you choose to still expose your kids to the "dangers" then what the heck-a-doodle are you complaining about .

Its lazy parenting again , I dont want want my kids exposed to soft porn but im not going to do anything to stop them being exposed to it, its the shops fault the shop needs to change .

Reminds me of one of my favourtite simpsons quotes from flanders bad parents "you have to helps us doctor we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"

[jebus]

Can't believe that everyone doesn't see that this is an adult game, if your kids play it it is your fault, or that of one of your kids parents

[kdjaC]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/25/ar...dx5EAUL6ZvwFuw

Take two suspend games release. Sony and Nintendo wont allow the game on their systems, leaving it without a home and without a publisher. As it cost less than a million to make and required 0 publicity/marketting. Its not a loss to Rockstar but is to take two who are screwed moneywise atm.


kdjac

[Calcio Jack]

So the choice is They go in to buy there sweets and get confronted with soft porn , Or you go in get there sweets and they dont get confronted with it .

You ve made a judgement call on that its ok to expose your kids to soft porn as they get to pick out there own sweets . If you know the risks yet you choose to still expose your kids to the "dangers" then what the heck-a-doodle are you complaining about .

Its lazy parenting again , I dont want want my kids exposed to soft porn but im not going to do anything to stop them being exposed to it, its the shops fault the shop needs to change .

Reminds me of one of my favourtite simpsons quotes from flanders bad parents "you have to helps us doctor we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas"

It's not lazy parenting, just like teaching your kids to cross the road isn't, ie there are risks in life but they have to be weighted up against getting on with life... if you'd read and ubnderstood what I 'd written in previous posts, you would of seen that I said it is a pity they are exposed to this stuff and I still stand by that ... I'm by no means a perfect parent but one thing for sure is that I don't engage in is 'lazy parenting' and so I think your lazy parenting comment is wrong.

[anto1208]

It's not lazy parenting, just like teaching your kids to cross the road isn't, ie there are risks in life but they have to be weighted up against getting on with life... if you'd read and ubnderstood what I 'd written in previous posts, you would of seen that I said it is a pity they are exposed to this stuff and I still stand by that ... I'm by no means a perfect parent but one thing for sure is that I don't engage in is 'lazy parenting' and so I think your lazy parenting comment is wrong.

Its hard to understand your posts, as your going around in big circles

If its a pity they are being exposed to it then stop exposing them to it , but as ive said id be very surprised if your kids or any kids really noticed and knew what the mags where .

But again this is nt about your kids its about adults being denied access to a game , If its now been dropped by nintendo and playstation then chances are it will be tonned down and re released .

[tetsujin1979]

Quick conspiracy theory

• The first Manhunt game sold reasonably well
• The second Manhunt game cost significantly more to develop, as it's on more platforms
• With the game getting banned, the game itself has received massive amounts of free publicity
• Most advance reviews (e.g. ign.com, eurogamer, etc) said the game was an improvement on the first, but not an outright classic

I wouldn't be too surprised if there's a toned-down version in Take Two/Rockstar's offices ready and waiting to be released on the back of all the free (there's that word again) publicity, probably along with the advertising "The game they don't want you to play" or some other such nonsense.

[Calcio Jack]

Its hard to understand your posts, as your going around in big circles

If its a pity they are being exposed to it then stop exposing them to it , but as ive said id be very surprised if your kids or any kids really noticed and knew what the mags where .

But again this is nt about your kids its about adults being denied access to a game , If its now been dropped by nintendo and playstation then chances are it will be tonned down and re released .

(1) Not going around in circles, again all I'm saying is that it is a pity young kids have to see this stuff and that IMO is a poor reflection on the state of Irish society... it's not earth shattering etc...just a pity and you can feel free to agre or disagree with that

(2) Agree the original theme of this thread concerned a playstaion game and I went off on a separete but broadley related issue as often happens in debates of this nature.

(3) I think we've done this one to death and apologies if I've bored or annoyed anyone... that was never the intention

[anto1208]

Quick conspiracy theory

• The first Manhunt game sold reasonably well
• The second Manhunt game cost significantly more to develop, as it's on more platforms
• With the game getting banned, the game itself has received massive amounts of free publicity
• Most advance reviews (e.g. ign.com, eurogamer, etc) said the game was an improvement on the first, but not an outright classic

I wouldn't be too surprised if there's a toned-down version in Take Two/Rockstar's offices ready and waiting to be released on the back of all the free (there's that word again) publicity, probably along with the advertising "The game they don't want you to play" or some other such nonsense.

I was thinking the same but its rockstar games they dont need the money never mind the money they have allready made from GTA but microsoft just paid 50 mill dollars for two episodic add ons to the GTA4 game , im not sure what this will include im presuming its extra missions etc for GTA4 .

If i was rockstar id just turn around and tell sony and nintendo to release it as is or they will give GTA4 to xbox . GTA and pro evo shift more consoles than any other game loosing either of these games would kill the playstation 3 off completly .


But i have a feeling the toned down game will a cheat "released" that will unlock all the gore .

From what ive heard the game is pretty poor and the gore doesnt take up much off it

[jebus]

Doesn't Fifa still outsell Pro Evo Anto? I know great things are expected of Pro Evo after getting the club license but I think kids still go for the easier to play, graphically better Fifa series

[anto1208]

Doesn't Fifa still outsell Pro Evo Anto? I know great things are expected of Pro Evo after getting the club license but I think kids still go for the easier to play, graphically better Fifa series

Id say so EA are good at marketing there games to fool kids , but i dont think too many kids can afford a ps3 so its more of an adult gaming system and from looking at what people who are thinkign of buying a console are saying its the same games that keep popping up mainly GTA 4 and pro evo . Im still waiting to see someone say ill get a ps3 when fifa comes out

I think if you got an exclusive deal on either of thoses games you would corner the next gen market .

[kdjaC]

FIFA outsells mainly due to the licence but when PES goes platinum it sells more


kdjac