QuoteNot really,thats one game. Next question,how many times have you carried out this practise this season?Originally Posted by irishboy99
That good enough for ya
I am flying tomorrow at 09:25 to Leeds/Bradford (as all the new Sunderland Keano supporters from Cork) have booked out the Tyne/Tees airport and driving to Seaburn(a B&B suburb of Sunderland). That good enough for ya
Not really,thats one game. Next question,how many times have you carried out this practise this season?That good enough for ya
Last edited by skitz3; 26/04/2007 at 5:19 PM.
Never noticed it.
But is daft why they do it for only Irish managers.
This is the first time I have accessed this website.
It well run, seems professional but some of the stuff about Sunderland did cheese me off. I am a Sunderland fan since 81 and to tarnish all irish sunderland fans the same is silly. There has been 2 Sunderland supporters branches in Ireland, the one in the North has been going for a very long time.
The links to Sunderland are via Shipping, mining, the university and Charley Hurley!
I've been following an English club way longer than you've been following Sunderland (and my English club is much better than your English club). Nearly every Irish football fan follows an English club, and has done so since the advent of television. That's not at issue.
What is new is the direct appeal of British clubs aggressively marketing in Ireland, and the hordes leaving this island every weekend to support British teams. It's not about patriotism or xenophobia or insulting Sunderland or other English fans, as some would like to portray it. It's about supporting football where you live, in a real sense, with a real connection. I think they understand that in Sunderland better than most.
What's special about the Sunderland case is that Quinn also likes to portray himself as a supporter of the domestic game.
Last edited by BohDiddley; 26/04/2007 at 5:43 PM. Reason: pig iron
How many times this season have travelled to see Sunderland?
Okay. You want to know the difference between watching Sunderland - a team in a different country - on TV (When Sky decides their match is market worthy) - at home or in a pub. You are a customer. Have you ever looked at what football CEOs are saying in the business section of papers? They market themselves to you, sign plays that please target markets etc. Just look at the Boylesports deal.
Actually I am not going to get into a debate about the difference.
If you cannot see the difference between looking at a Sundireland game - when Sky show one - and following your club week in week out, no matter what the weather, win or lose, home or away. Well if you cannot see any difference there, I give up on you lot. Keep thinking you are supporters of soccer as your senior local club starves because your too busy consuming Sky TV to actually support a club.
So tell me who for example in Dublin in the huge number of suburbs who should they be supporting. I can think of vast areas of Dublin where there is no 'local' LOI team.
Say that yourself again-does it not sound even a little sad!?I am "Sunderland till I die" as the chant goes
i have no problem with pple having a soft spot for another team from another country(i do myself even) but going this far...
Last edited by ollie; 26/04/2007 at 5:36 PM.
Life isn't all beer and football...some of us haven't touched a football in months
Any club in Dublin is surely a lot more local than Sunderland?
Oh no. There I go again with my crazy logic......
I live a few miles away from Richmond Park (St Pat's if you didnt know),it's not on my doorstep but neither is Sunderland for you.Im not criticising you,we both make the effort to support our clubs but maybe you should give the LOI club nearest to you a visit one Friday night.You dont seem to mind travelling,you dont need ID or a plane ticket.
You might just enjoy the friday night lights.
If you're from north Dublin, your local team, should you choose to support Irish football, historically is Bohemian FC (no Wimbledon, no BSkyB!).
If you're from south Dublin, you are blessed with the choice of Shamrock Rovers or Shelbourne.*
You will find, especially in the latter two cases, although this no doubt will be argued, that the football is less than Premiership-perfick (as is that of most EPL teams when you watch 90 minutes).
But you will also find that if you, and people like you, and their sons, can get past the TV brainwashing and get behind a 'local' (your word) Dublin team, it will improve, as if by magic. It won't do if you continue to buy and to promote Sunderland alone.
*I forgot Pat's. I do apologise. As everyone knows, they're real local...
Last edited by BohDiddley; 26/04/2007 at 5:54 PM.
that funny im not, my club was keanes first senior club and as i wish him the best i have no intention of going to sunderland to watch them i dont watch them on tv either i watch the highlights on the premiership (cue explosion) and the championship (set off the flare yeah) se what i done i seperated them by how good they are, the bigger team gets the bigger bang so you know what your watchin, like drones, follow the big bang, that is what english soccer is sky made sure of it, not even sky american football started it all with the big boons to talk into to, the explosions and all that, it so sterile and im hundreds of miles from it, but they dont need me cause there is alwyas someone else to folow the bandwagon, follow away but your not a fan a fan is out in the rain (well sun for the summer months the two of them) every wekend following there club, and comin here to give out to each other great fun, im not the type to go the pub every time man u are on tv if i feel like it ill watch it but if not woulnt bother me, if i missed my club play i would be a bit upset no body would stop me seeing my club play,I am flying tomorrow at 09:25 to Leeds/Bradford (as all the new Sunderland Keano supporters from Cork
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Irishboy,
As absurd as it seems to you I find it impossible to put an English football team ahead of an Irish one. I just don't understand that psyche. Your a Dub? You support Dublin in hurling and football? I presume so. Therefore, why would you support a soccer team outside Dublin, nevermind an English one? I couldn't imagine a Derryman supporting Shelbourne, Bohs or Cork.
I have friends from South America who stay with me every winter, they cannot understand why someone Irish would support an English football team. It's alien to them, in fact one who supports a team in Chile said it's like him following a Brazilian or Argentinian team. He said he'd rather cut off his balls.
It's all well and good looking out for results of Irishmen in those teams but getting conned by them to buy jerseys and season tickets is embarrassing.
Anyhow it's no longer 1981, no longer a working class man's game in England and Sunderland. All the passion you saw then has evaporated out of the English game.
As Irishmen we dilute our sense of nation by depending on the English to bring us our balls
where I grew up in Stillorgan. I was always interested in soccer and the GAA and my first LOI game was Shamrock rvs vs Dundalk. But none of my friends were interested in LOI. No connection to the Dublin clubs. Just another area where their reach was minimal. I got brought to a Liverpool vs Sunderland game and was seated very close to the Sunderland support. Their passion is still etched on my mind nearly 25yrs later. When I told everyone I was going to support them never once did anyone say "Why dont you support a LOI club" not even in Sunderland where they understand that many irish soccer supporters for many reasons historical, passed down from father to son have great love of clubs yes in ENGLAND. If you feel you are a better supporter than them try going to Dublin airport and watch them look at you as if come from a different plant. I prefer to leave it that we have the right to support Beijing FC if needs be.....I leave it at that.
...and from my perspective "native supporters" of UK clubs in UK citiies look at those who travel to be a customer of their club exactly the same way.
Can I ask the following
Are you involved with any club, schoolboy or junior in Dublin as a volunteer or player?
Do you go to Ireland international games?
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Irishboy, the proximity argument in Dublin is stupid. You can easily slice Dublin into: South Dublin = Rovers, South Dublin City = Pat's, Dun Laoighre/Rathdown = UCD, North Dublin City/Fingal = Shels and Bohs. In any point in those small regions if it's too far for you to travel to see the clubs within those regions then it makes not the slightest amount of sense to leave the country to find a team to follow instead.
By the way, your new argument is weak. "No one else was interested so neither was I." It's not an exaggeration to say it's people with an attitude exactly like yours that ensure our domestic game remains weak. We have the necessary population to sustain a stronger league if the money and passengers that are funneled abroad to the UK to watch football over here remained here. To stick with the domestic theme, our own Edmund Burke said "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Obviously I'm not calling you evil but the sentiment remains the same, our game will continue to remain weak while people like yourselves put no investment into it be that financial or emotional.
Last edited by Poor Student; 26/04/2007 at 7:38 PM.
in any other country then ireland people who support a local team get respect.here wen i say who i support im always asked a second question :no who do ya support in england an i say no1 they kinda give me a patronisng chuckle it annoys me soooo much. wen i ask dem how many times theve seen 'dere team' play their only come bak is:your team is s***.football really is crazy in this country
Let me go thru your points one by one
1. South Dublin = Rovers. Let me state again. Noone I was friends with was interested in Shamrock rovers. So being a child I needed someone to bring me.Shamrock rvs were never on TV so that source of interest never came to me. However English soccer came thru Jimmy Hill and Dickie Davis for those old enough to remember. I loved soccer but did not support any team when I was younger. I had no reason. See above how my love of Sunderland came about.
2. "our domestic game remains weak." It remains weak for many many reasons. The important of which is that the best players go to England. The influx of English TV (dont think of SKY, there are newbees, think BBC and ITV over the years), poor product, poor facilities and since the irish have got richer then dont accept bad facilities
3. "We have the necessary population to sustain a stronger league if the money and passengers that are funneled abroad to the UK to watch football over here remained here." So explain how your propose that should happen?
4. "people like yourselves put no investment into it be that financial or emotional." - Again ask yourself why this is the case. Why are we choosing to go to watch football elsewhere. Remember that the majority of people who really support teams in the UK were brought by parents, family members or some local sports group. Why are there thousands of irish people members of supporters clubs in the uk?
And does it really matter to you that much...
Your not the only one Seagull I get that **** all the time. When I go into the local though I am like an ambassador for the club. I'm always asked how was the last game etc by the bar stoolers but i've managed to encourage a few of them to make the trip up the Dyke rd a few times. I always reply to the "Yere ****" comments by telling them they have to come to Terryland before they can pass comment on our soccer ability and only then are they entitled to have an opinion in my mind.
"Are those my feet" Fr Jack Hackett
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