Setanta Cup - The Verdict

**Dodge** · 29/03/2007, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by David

Noting to do with Derry fans though. The guy saying there would be trouble between Linfield and Dundalk is way off the mark.

Most clubs have had trouble in Dundalk, can't see them making an exception for Linfield

**micls** · 29/03/2007, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by ndrog

thats funny ! how come there is a huge thread over on irishleauge forums about cork being hostile towards portadown supporters .We just had glentoran and linfield in our local before the games .No trouble whatsoever .Fantastic time had by all .For proof go over to there forums .The only trouble weve had in there in recent times was cork city fans singing really offensive songs looking for trouble .

Did you actually read the thread properly? Or the post. there were NO offensive songs and no trouble.the only problem was overzealous idiot stewards which treat us as badly as them. Not the fans

And Risteard was simply stating a fact. The only two places iv witnessed trouble is Drogheda-where the bus we were on got stoned and Bohs where some little scuts tried to pick fights with women and children. Nothing huge or major in either case but both happened.

Every club havs its little scumbags.

**Louth4sam** · 29/03/2007, 1:00 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

Most clubs have had trouble in Dundalk, can't see them making an exception for Linfield

Probably true but what big club hasnt had problems with trouble of some type or another. Most of the problems of the past with Dundalk were due to no seggragation and very poor security/stewarding. Although the stewarding still isnt at level to stop everything it has improved greatly and when playing clubs with a potential of trouble occouring the fans are now seggragated. Dundalk along with most LOI clubs still have a long way to go to provide football with minimal chance of trouble.

**Risteard** · 29/03/2007, 2:15 PM

Originally Posted by ndrog

thats funny ! how come there is a huge thread over on irishleauge forums about cork being hostile towards portadown supporters?

Drogheda fans.
Seriously, nearly all the Drog fans on that site are very silly.

Originally Posted by ndrog

For proof go over to there forums .

No.
Instead of spending time on those stupid (Bohs-Rovers-esque) internet wrangles, I'm going to put time into a nice cup of tea and come back here and post on something else.

**dcfcsteve** · 29/03/2007, 3:05 PM

Originally Posted by Louth4sam

Yeah thats why the Linfield fans had to take a 1 hour detour as they couldnt drive through parts of Derry

Looks like Derry may be twinned with the 70s too!

I think you'll find Linfield fans had no such issues at all getting to and from the Brandywell on Monday night. Typical Dundalk attitude - stuck in the past....

And there wasn't a single person proclaiming there'd be ANY trouble between Linfield and Derry fans - let alone personally guaranteeing it, like Mickdlk on here has re Dundalk.

Even the Shinners are down with the PSNI these days. Time to move on lads...

**holidaysong** · 29/03/2007, 4:39 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

And there wasn't a single person proclaiming there'd be ANY trouble between Linfield and Derry fans - let alone personally guaranteeing it, like Mickdlk on here has re Dundalk...

In fairness Steve, the view of one fan (Mickdlk) shouldn't be taken as the view of all fans. I'm quite sure that with the appropriate level of segregation and security a Dundalk vs. Linfield match would pass of without incident.

**kdjaC** · 29/03/2007, 6:38 PM

. I'm quite sure that with the appropriate level of segregation and security a Anyone vs. Anyone match would pass of without incident.

This is ireland, so unlikley.

kdjac

**kdjaC** · 29/03/2007, 8:27 PM

Originally Posted by robbiesdrogs

heres what the setanta had thrown up and what real football fans are about in the competition

http://www.irishfootienetwork.com/viewtopic.php?t=6984

to hell with the little scumbags that cause trouble.too much danny dyer is their problem

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Cut and paste?

kdjac

**Celdrog** · 30/03/2007, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by David_B on Drogs forum

Bus will be laid on for you to pick you up at Central Station in Belfast. I see that your train is due in around 1535. Bus will take you to Mountainview Tavern on the Shankill Road. Food will be provided and a bus will be laid on to take you over to Windsor for the game. There will be no cost to you. Looking forward to seeing you all on Monday and returning the excellent hospitality we received in February. Also hoping for 3 points by the way to ensure we top the group.

David talking about Drogs fans going to the Shankill road on Monday and the hospitality they will receive

**Risteard** · 30/03/2007, 12:59 AM

Who cares?

**Celdrog** · 30/03/2007, 1:51 AM

Originally Posted by Risteard

Who cares?

I take it the tea wasn't nice so. Was the milk sour or did you let it go stewed before you took the teabag out?

**Risteard** · 30/03/2007, 2:43 AM

Shouldn't have left it 10 hours to start drinking.

**CollegeTillIDie** · 30/03/2007, 7:11 AM

Originally Posted by David

The patronising nonsense from Derry City fans in particular is annoying. Why criticise Linfield for wanting to do what most other clubs do ie play in the league of their own country? Yes I would like an AIL if the conditions are right but Linfield wanting to stay in their own league surely has to be respected.

I have no issue with clubs wishing to remain within their jurisdictions. I also happen to think Cardiff, Swansea etc should be in the League of Wales as they would be in Europe every year.

The only way an AIL would work or even happen would be as an IFA/FAI jointly run venture. Plus as a cross border venture it could generate revenues flowing into the island as a whole since the advent of the Peace Process .

**Ceirtlis** · 30/03/2007, 1:55 PM

I also happen to think Cardiff, Swansea etc should be in the League of Wales as they would be in Europe every year.

You must be joking. Playing all year against teams that get an average attendance of 250 just for a few games in the Uefa Cup?

**bigmac** · 30/03/2007, 2:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ceirtlis

You must be joking. Playing all year against teams that get an average attendance of 250 just for a few games in the Uefa Cup?

I agree - I think the disparity in standards between the League of Wales and the English League is much larger than that between the EL and IL (if of course, there is such a thing - can we avoid having that argument again?).
On the other hand, if they all played in Wales, maybe the standard would be higher.

**dcfcsteve** · 30/03/2007, 5:41 PM

Originally Posted by David

The patronising nonsense from Derry City fans in particular is annoying. Why criticise Linfield for wanting to do what most other clubs do ie play in the league of their own country? Yes I would like an AIL if the conditions are right but Linfield wanting to stay in their own league surely has to be respected.

Patronising nonsense my arse.

If you want to stay solely in the Irish League due to political/national sentiment, then as I've stated before on here no one can really have an issue with that. Given the weakness of the Irish League I would find such an attitude disappointing, but it's still Linfield's decision to take and I respect that.

But if that is the reason then just say it. The real source of patronising nonesense on this issue is the smokescreen of claims from Linfield that their opposition to an AIL is more about issues like European qualification etc.

If your club admitted that it's for reasons - and valid ones - of national and political sentiment, then you'll find the patronising responses melt away.

**Cymro** · 30/03/2007, 7:17 PM

Originally Posted by bigmac

I agree - I think the disparity in standards between the League of Wales and the English League is much larger than that between the EL and IL (if of course, there is such a thing - can we avoid having that argument again?).
On the other hand, if they all played in Wales, maybe the standard would be higher.

The English league is fully professional and run on much bigger crowds (example: average gates in League Two alone are about 3-4,000 compared to a few hundred in the Welsh Premier) so you would certainly expect that to be the case. However, clubs in the Welsh Premier do well considering their attendances and budgets. The top sides would definitely be OK in the Conference from what I've seen and clubs there average crowds of well over a thousand.

As a Swansea fan I honestly would not want to see Swansea playing in the Welsh Premier right now-nothing against it in principle but the gap in standards and perhaps more importantly grounds and attendances is just too steep a drop at the moment. I would like to see in the future it if it was viable though. At present we are not allowed to play in Europe and it seems the only way that will change is if we join the Welsh Premier. Hopefully the current clubs will do well in Europe and maybe we'll see an improvement.

PS: Interesting point about an All-Ireland league: Have UEFA said anything about such a possibilty? And have they given it their blessing? If they have and teams in that will qualify for Europe as normal then I don't see any reason why UEFA should keep their ban on Welsh clubs playing in the English system.......

**AnnaghRed** · 30/03/2007, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by dcfcsteve

Patronising nonsense my arse......the weakness of the Irish League

Anyone would be forgiven for thinking you set the Irish League alight during your tenure, but the statistics show that in 50 odd seasons competing in our - "glorified pub league" - you managed 1 [one] league title.

**dancinpants** · 30/03/2007, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by AnnaghRed

Anyone would be forgiven for thinking you set the Irish League alight during your tenure, but the statistics show that in 50 odd seasons competing in our - "glorified pub league" - you managed 1 [one] league title.

Your right our one title pales in comparison to Portadowns whopping four.