John O'Shea

**jmurphyc** · 05/03/2007, 2:39 PM

i think he's a decent player (at centre back) but i agree that he needs to get a decent run of games in one position. ideally he'd go to a mid level premiership side. however, i don't see that happening as a few weeks ago he said he'd rather be a squad member of a title winning side than playing regular football elsewhere. whilst i personally think that that's a disgraceful attitude he's entitled to do what he likes. but if he was chucked out of ireland's team he might have a very different attitude but that won't happen so basically i think that we'll never see the best of him

**RogerMilla** · 05/03/2007, 2:43 PM

o'shea needs out of united and a solid run in a premiership team in centre back. fergie will never let him go as he is too valuable as utility man , Ireland's football team is the loser here.

**Paddy Garcia** · 05/03/2007, 3:11 PM

Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Whatever about O'Shea, I don't think you could argue that he's less prone to a mistake than any of our other players. Would he have ignored Henderson's call?

I am not his greatest fan. But objectively he is no worse than the rest and better than some. Over the last 12 months really it is only Given and Kilbane (there is an irony for some) who can come out with much credit. Flashes from others, 100% from these two.

... I agree he may not have ignored Henderson, but his experience may have led him to clear the ball instead of taking such a huge risk.

PS - is McShane playing CB for West Brom, I thought I saw him playing FB recently?

**Risteard** · 05/03/2007, 3:27 PM

I think he could have made a good centre-back years ago. He's probably finished now though.
No confidence left and no position in particular to name at pinning down.
He's consistently awful.

I get the original point though.
If he was getting his game at a decent Championship club, you probably would have people saying that he's the job.

**eirebhoy** · 05/03/2007, 3:29 PM

Yeah, McShane is playing at right back but Mowbray said he only sees him as a centre half. Just reading the West Brom forum there and they're really impressed with him.

**youngirish** · 05/03/2007, 3:32 PM

Come back JOS all is forgiven because you scored a sh*te goal against some English club after coming on with 15 minutes to go. You are really brilliant. How could we the Irish fans have been so wrong about you?

F**k off. John O'Shea ffs. Scores a goal and the goldfish brigade are out again in force saying how good a player he is and he should be forgiven for all his (numerous) sins in an Ireland jersey. Get this. He's sh*t, he's been proven sh*t and scoring some crap goal in an English league game doesn't negate that fact. Always the same. While we're at it let's get David Connolly, Gary Breen and Gary Doherty back they all played at the weekend (and Breen scored to boot).

Seriously some people on this forum haven't a breeze. It's the same sh*te recycled over and over again. David Connolly/JOS (pick either) scores a goal, he's brilliant give him some more caps. He gets more caps is again proven sh*t argument is recycled a year later. It's like f**king Groundhog Day.

**Paddy Garcia** · 05/03/2007, 3:44 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

JOS all is forgiven because you scored a sh*te goal against some English club after coming on with 15 minutes to go. You are really brilliant. How could we the Irish fans have been so wrong about you.

F**k off. John O'Shea ffs. Scores a goal and the goldfish brigade are out again sayign he's a good player and he shoudl be given another chance. Get this. He's sh*t, he's been proven sh*t and scoring some crap goal in an English league game doesn't negate that fact. Always the same. While we're at it let's get David Connolly, Gary Breen and Gary Doherty back they all played at the weekend (and Breen scored to boot).

Seriously some people on this forum haven't a breeze.

Yeah, & one has just spoken.

Someone posted about Keane's management style on another forum, the Stokes one. Instead of balling him out for a mistake he encouraged him.

Well if you constantly tell half our players they are crap, don't be too surprised at the outcome. Where are you going to turn then ? It's not that we have so many players that we can afford to act with such arrogance.

**OwlsFan** · 05/03/2007, 3:45 PM

John O'Shea has gone full circle. I remember there was pressure on Mick Mc or was it Kerr to play him because he played for Man U. Now, the theory is that because he plays for Man U he is being discriminated against

I believe that 99% of Irish fans don't care who a player plays for so long as he does the business in a green shirt. Robbie K is getting a lot of stick these days from Irish fans: it's hardly because he plays for Spurs!! The club is irrelevant. O'Shea hasn't fulfilled his promise. He also has a languid style that looks as if he's casual. He's not. He's not a midfielder and I don't think he's a fullback either as both these positions need a passer of a ball which JO'S is not. It will be centre-half or nothing for JO'S and the Man U thing is irrelevant.

He hasn't been playing well for us and hence the stick. Others have been getting it as well. I haven't heard him being boohed yet though. The team yes, individuals no.

**youngirish** · 05/03/2007, 3:49 PM

Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

Yeah, & one has just spoken.

Someone posted about Keane's management style on another forum, the Stokes one. Instead of balling him out for a mistake he encouraged him.

Well if you constantly tell half our players they are crap, don't be too surprised at the outcome. Where are you going to turn then ? It's not that we have so many players that we can afford to act with such arrogance.

Yeah good one. It's my fault JOS is poor for Ireland. Let's all start telling JOS how good a player he is. Wrap him in cotton wool. Don't criticise him. Just tell him we love him and he's the best left back/ central midfielder, central defender, striker etc in the land. Are you for real or was that a joke? Seriously grow up and stop living in happy land.

Anyway since when did I ever say all our players were crap? JOS and Connolly certainly are. I didn't mention any of the rest of our current squad.

**carloz** · 05/03/2007, 3:54 PM

Im a united fan and O'Shea really iritates me at times. The reason for that is that it is obvious the guy as the talent but we very rarely see it. He was phenomenal in his first season. Im worried that he is just happy to collect his wages every week and not really give 100%. However i would most definly prefer tosee him beside Carsley versus the Welsh than have Ireland beside Carsley

**Paddy Garcia** · 05/03/2007, 3:56 PM

Originally Posted by youngirish

Yeah good one. It's my fault JOS is poor for Ireland.

I thought you liked having a scapegoat.

**Collyontour** · 05/03/2007, 3:57 PM

O'Shea gets stick because he doesn't play well for us. Does anyone that's sticking up for him here go to the games, because I can't understand how anyone can defend his performances. And I haven't heard him being booed.

**as_i_say** · 05/03/2007, 4:00 PM

yeah i think booing is out of order cos at this stage if stan cant see how bad he is then i would blame stan. it beggars belief how he keeps his place.

**danonion** · 05/03/2007, 4:17 PM

If O'Shea was sold to the likes of Newcastle, he'd be a central defender for 38 league games a season. He has the technique, size and physical attributes to be a good if not great centre back. I rate him higher than Bramble any day of the week.

**eirebhoy** · 05/03/2007, 4:24 PM

Originally Posted by danonion

If O'Shea was sold to the likes of Newcastle, he'd be a central defender for 38 league games a season. He has the technique, size and physical attributes to be a good if not great centre back.

In fairness, it takes a lot more than that. He doesn't have the intelligience, aggression, bottle, etc. to play centre half imo.

**bellavistaman** · 05/03/2007, 4:27 PM

Originally Posted by FootballsKing

played for a club like Birmingham, Sunderland, Man City, or Blackburn you would all be singing his praises. I know im going to get abused for this but he would stand out and people just like to hand out fierce abuse when he makes obe mistake while others mistakes go ignored. Yes he has had alot of bad games for us down the years but Shay Given aside who hasnt? The fact is he along with Steve Finnan is the only player who plays any sort of first team football for a top 4 club and you dont do that by being an absolute shocker at the game. Most of the players you hear around here that people claim should take his international place would be nowhere near the Manchester United first team and to put it simply we have few alternatives at international level, and if any of you were international manager i sincerely doubt you would actually follow through with your claims that he should be dropped.

couldn't agree wit u anymore think john o'shea is a great player.

**billybunter** · 05/03/2007, 4:43 PM

i dont think o'shea can mark a forward as "Titus" bramble...

**as_i_say** · 05/03/2007, 4:49 PM

Originally Posted by bellavistaman

couldn't agree wit u anymore think john o'shea is a great player.

and

**as_i_say** · 05/03/2007, 4:50 PM

Originally Posted by danonion

If O'Shea was sold to the likes of Newcastle, he'd be a central defender for 38 league games a season. He has the technique, size and physical attributes to be a good if not great centre back. I rate him higher than Bramble any day of the week.

sure he's totally unproven at any level as a CB...