QuoteYes but "reality" is a different beast to different people.
If your ideology has a base in material reality though instead of having its origins in thought processes there should be no contradiction (providing your ideology is not ossified orthodoxy)Originally Posted by rebs23
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Yes but "reality" is a different beast to different people.
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Depending on their material circumstances. Or if they are junkies, in which case they are most likely not too interested in politics.
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I agree. Once the blocks have been set on both sides who is to know what kind of insulation has been installed. Houses would have to be inspected during construction & that would be extremely difficult to implement...
There are insulation regulations now, so it wouldn't have been that difficult and you can test houses u values.
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Maybe so but the regs are nowhere near what they should be and still the developers break them if they get away with it. There is an ongoing legal action (actually could be settled now, not sure) between a number of householders in the estate acccross the road from ours and the developer over this.
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That was my point. The Government have delayed the introduction of higher specs for nearly 10 years, on the basis on the effect on the building industry. This is and was totally without justification, given the level of demand and the profitablity on houses in this period it would've had little effect on developers. However, I doubt many insulation manufacturers frequent the tents of Galway Races in the same way that Builders do.
It's got to the stage that some forward thinking councils are putting insulation levels in excess of the building regulations in an effort to correct the Governments negligence on this issue.
Of course, but there are two roads that can followed up on this. As well as the developers/ builders, buildings have to be signed off by an engineer or architect with indeminity insurance who would be liable if they signed off on a house that wasn't infact compliant. You have to put in place regulations on the assumption that they'll be met, but the regulations are not in place there is zero chance of enforcement.
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are you george bush in disguise? once the economy is fine the environment will look after itself? why dont we wait until we are all dead before trying to put ourselves together again?
i must recommend everyone watches al gore's lecture 'an inconvenient truth' (available at all good video stores). a film that is easily more horrifying than films that usually come with such a warning. one point that i particularly raised my eyebrows at was that in a sample of 900 research articles by scientists over a period of 20 or so years not a single one(nil, no one, nada) of these experts doubted that global warming was a live threat, while 53% of newspaper articles questioned global warming.
to those who dont care, i hate ye all. the world is obviously not perfect but i'd prefer ireland now than a freezing hurricane swept craggy isle. the pacific islanders of tuvalu would prefer to stay at home than move to new zealand(something their gov's have provided for.) in short, the world is moving closer to dystopia than utopia, and what are we doing only doubting and wallowing.
WTF. Are you honestly saying that global warming/climate change can be reserved and if so by how many degrees? What is the safe number of degrees to go back to? Do we need a sustained period of an extra cold period to reverse the melting ice melts or will we try it gladually? if this happens are we in danger of a global ice age again? What measures will ensure that this easy task of global warming is reversed?
The most I have ever heard people propose are measures to stop the cuirrent rises in global temperature. Maybe I am wrong but I have always understood the reduction in our carbon emissions as attempts to stop the accelerating rate of climate change.
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i have to laugh at that.do you think if we point cold fans up to the sky global warming will go away, by the way each person needs to point two fans for five hours three days a week at a 57 degree angle for the next six months then break for a week and continue the cycle.(sorry for being flippant)
it is carbon emissions we have to worry about.if we continue(with china and the us getting worse) things will be further exacerbated.i'm personally delighted some companies are taking steps, some gov's are, but its very difficult for individuals to make an effort. we can try to buy irish, cycle to work etc but without guidance/snactions on a political level we're effectively fighting a losing battle.bush the imbecile thinks technology through a healthy economy will solve the problem, having denied the problem for years in order to protect manufacturing jobs, or his own, whatever way you want to look at it.
the way we live at the moment is thoroughly unsustainable. you cant take the attitude that the environment will sort itself out because the levels of co2 in the atmosphere are ridiculously unprecedented, we just dont know what could happen, and with the evidence so far things arent going well. global warming may not be fully reversible but our way of living is, which unless we change humans wont be around much longer. i'm not blaming you of course but anyone who doubts or is unconcerned about the problem annoys me to be honest.
Its easy, all we have to do is mine comets for giant ice cubes to drop in the sea.
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you'll play armageddon's bruce willis i hope
rebs, the problem is a lot bigger than just temperature, seasons changing(wont someone please think of the animals) more extreme weather,hurricanes in europe recently will all screw us, well, until bohs saves the day
We will all talk the talk but when it comes down to it we were to lose jobs in Ireland how many would choose the environment?
Thats exactly why I believe the problem of the environment is unsolvable on a capitalist basis. Because the profit motive rules, employers would close if environmental measures were introduced that impinged on their profit making ability. This is why the question of Socialism is now more urgent than ever. Engels wrote that the choice was between Socialism and Barbarism. Now its between Socialism and extinction.
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More to do with competition between Nations. If everyone on the same rules we'd be ok whereas biggest polluters are Communists countries like China & former communists like Russia & the Eastern bloc.
Capitalism is the only model that motivates for innovation in alternative energy sources. I don't see North Korea, Cuba or China driving any fuel cell cars or using wind & solar power...
Why is China communist when it suits your arguement? It was capitalist according to you in the Socialism thread when you wanted to give an example of a successful economy. And you already know my opinions on North Korea so stop using your straw man tactic. You know I don't consider those examples to be Socialism any more than you considered the German democratic republic (East Germany) to be a democracy.
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i know, i've been trying to get a visa to NK for years to see what they're up to, but the main man kim il sung just isnt having it
not really a fair point anyway, if capitalism wasnt embraced the problem wouldnt be half as bad.china is a growing problem but only because it has *******ised itself to capitalism on a broad scale, and not because its 'communist' which would appear to confuse your point. anyway, in fact the worlds largest polluter is.. de da da da the home of capitalism the mighty us of a.
all this philosophical meandering has led me to question who is our, ie capitalism, guiding philosopher and what was his thesis on the way of life..henry ford? was he concerned with the wider society? throughout history there have always been great thinkers that shaped the way we thought and lived, now we have..ah.....am i delusional, disenfranchised, too negative or what??
woah, just looking at my post above you'd swear i've been indoctrinated by mr.partisan..not quite the case.
although capitalism and its cosy partner political democracy are definitely to blame for the impending doom the answer lies not in an all out revolt on society, but rather a collective paradigm shift(no better waffle words!) on personal and corporate levels. governments should have(and i've no doubt would have under socialism!) acted at this stage. but failing that it is good to see that companies are taking some measure of responsibility, for eg the US Climate Action Partnership was recently established by ten large companies who are campaigning for the cap and trade program; legislation that would set a limit on emissions with any companies that undercut the level(cap) allowed to trade the remainder to companies that exceed the limit. as ever, the redoubtable president bush is a barrier to such legislation..where oh where is my gun. bush would do well to take on board the views of stephen hawking on this(although typically bland the point is important)
"The effects may be less dramatic in the short term than the destruction that could be wrought by nuclear explosions, but over the next three to four decades climate change could cause drastic harm."
we all know how worked up bush got about so called weapons of mass destruction, akin to the nuclear explosions hawkings alludes to...so, i wonder will a war on deforestation in the amazon be launched, a war on smog bound china, a war on SUVs with billions of dollars and thousands of troops?
You see Capitalists are not all evil people, its the system thats the problem. There will always be a lot of well intentioned capitalists who are not as short sighted as others when it comes to the environment. Ditto for nations and politicians. The problem is to reverse the environmental damage, we need every country and every industry to comply. Under the profit driven market this is not possible. One of two things happen. Either the well intentioned capitalists get driven out of business by the more cost efficient but less conciensous producers or they succumb to the pressure of if you can't beat 'em join 'em. Thats why you need the commanding heights of the economy in public hands under a DEMOCRATIC plan of production.
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You are obviously a very intelligent individual who uses their thought process to engage in often enlightening and somewhat egotisitical debates on what is good for the world. I enjoy and agree with a lot of your statements but there has been one thing that has been bugging me for ages .
Are you Hyde from the Thats 70 Show
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