Tipp South & District League 2006/07

**hooperlooper** · 09/01/2007, 12:40 PM

apparently,everyone outside the tsdl knows the score regarding that very fixture,except the rest of the teams in the tsdl,the league is well aware of the fact that clon and st mic's will beat just about everyone else ,so to keep the rest of you interested they keep those fixtures till the end of the season,then they play each other and once again you have clon or st mic's league winners,its like celtic and rangers,if the spl just let them play against each other for the first 4 games of the season then the league would be over by november for celtic wouldnt it,apply the same train of thought to the tsdl,,,,,,,,,,,,,,all the rest of the teams are just entertainment on a sunday

**C.T.F.C** · 09/01/2007, 1:20 PM

I have always advocated the publishing of league fixtures prior to the start of the season alas that remains in the hands of the TSDL commitee. However any side that harbours an ambition to win the league is going to have to beat Town and Michaels to do it, so when they play each other is irrelavant. The SPL comparison may be apt however there is absolutely nothing to prevent any of the leagues other clubs from emulating the Town/Michaels model for success. The key driving forces of both these clubs are not the players but the backroom commitees who continually strive to improve the clubs facilities and financial standing. These volunteers are the backbone of any successful club. It is not a coincidence that the leagues most successful clubs also possess the best facilities. Great teams will come and go- great clubs will last a lot longer.

**Tipp Man 2** · 09/01/2007, 1:34 PM

Originally Posted by C.T.F.C

I have always advocated the publishing of league fixtures prior to the start of the season alas that remains in the hands of the TSDL commitee. However any side that harbours an ambition to win the league is going to have to beat Town and Michaels to do it, so when they play each other is irrelavant. The SPL comparison may be apt however there is absolutely nothing to prevent any of the leagues other clubs from emulating the Town/Michaels model for success. The key driving forces of both these clubs are not the players but the backroom commitees who continually strive to improve the clubs facilities and financial standing. These volunteers are the backbone of any successful club. It is not a coincidence that the leagues most successful clubs also possess the best facilities. Great teams will come and go- great clubs will last a lot longer.

CTFC some great comments and i agree with everything except for the publishing of fixtures at the start of the saeson. It would be logistically impossible to do this. For everyone else, you all seem to knock the TSDL for this and that and just about everything where in fact you should be complimenting them for a well run league that without dfail has started mid august and ended mid may as long as i know. you go to limerick dublin waterford cork just a few.. they are playing well into june because of fixture pile up ete.. give the TSDL some credit.. as for the town v saints ficture.. they were down to play on 17th december but this was then postponed because the FAI took precedence and town played crystal.. so hence going back to my point re:fixtures at start of season.. It is an ideal scenario but not feasible.

**hooperlooper** · 09/01/2007, 2:28 PM

Footballing Wise The Tsdl Is A Very Ggod League,no Question,but To Say That Just Because Your Games Are Finished In May Is A Bit Much,one Third Of The Entire Fai Junior And Nearly Half Of The Mjc Competion Teams Are From Cork Yet We Only Are Allowed The Same Allocation As Lim,tsdl And Waterford Who Have'nt Even The Same Number Of Teams If You Added Them All Up,on Average A Cork Side Wishing To Get Out Of Cork Will Have To Plat 3 Or 4 Rounds More Than Any Other County,just To Get To The Open Round

**Tipperary_Man** · 09/01/2007, 5:24 PM

Originally Posted by hooperlooper

Footballing Wise The Tsdl Is A Very Ggod League,no Question,but To Say That Just Because Your Games Are Finished In May Is A Bit Much,one Third Of The Entire Fai Junior And Nearly Half Of The Mjc Competion Teams Are From Cork Yet We Only Are Allowed The Same Allocation As Lim,tsdl And Waterford Who Have'nt Even The Same Number Of Teams If You Added Them All Up,on Average A Cork Side Wishing To Get Out Of Cork Will Have To Plat 3 Or 4 Rounds More Than Any Other County,just To Get To The Open Round

in Tipp South it's mainly the same teams that progress into the open draw of the FAI each year, it might make things more interesting if the draw was made open in earlier rounds, i'm not talking about the whole country but maybe teams from the same province into one section until the last 64 is reached. It would certainly give "smaller" teams a chance to play those that they would never get a chance to play. I do think that the TSDL is very good football wise but there is still not enought competition as in Waterford or Limerick for example

**hooperlooper** · 09/01/2007, 5:37 PM

finally some one who agrees that its only because the tsdl is such a small league that,thats how they are getn the results,less teams,more players 2 choose from

**tippsouth** · 09/01/2007, 5:51 PM

but thats what the fai junior cuo draw is all about. the possibility of playing a team from dingle, donegal or a local derby as in the celtic v peake game. have to say i fancy celtic to beat gratten this weekend. they've taken points off both town and villa already this season. who knows?

**Tipperary_Man** · 09/01/2007, 9:25 PM

Originally Posted by hooperlooper

finally some one who agrees that its only because the tsdl is such a small league that,thats how they are getn the results,less teams,more players 2 choose from

ah though in all fairness cork has a way bigger population and its also the biggest county in ireland. still there are 5 divisions in south tipp and don't forget the league in north tipp. how many different junior leagues are there in cork as a matter of interest? as in tipp we have 2, north and south

**hooperlooper** · 10/01/2007, 10:46 PM

in the CORK AUL there are 11 divisions that are all able to enter the fai or mjc cup,130 teams in total,in the MUNSTER SENIOR LEAGUE,JUNIOR SECTION there are 3 divisions of roughly 30 teams,in the CORK BUSINESS LEAGUE there are 4 divisions with again roughly 40 sides and to cap it off theWEST CORK BOTTLING LEAGUE has 3 divisions at least with about 40 teams,they are all encluded in the CORK regional draw for the fai and mjc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thats altogether,,,thats 20 different divisions,roughly 240 teams,,,,,,no other section in the country has to play through that to get to the open round,pardon me but in the stdl theres about 40 sides,and the rest of tipp another 40,thats 80,limerick say 80 and waterford 60,for the sake of it between lim,tipp and watrfd,say 220,thats between 3 entire counties,,,,,,which ever way you look at it,theres abetter chance of reaching the open round of the fai junior or the mjc if your outside of cork,that wether you like it or not is a fact and if any one would like to disagree with me belt away but you cant hide the simple truth,its there for all to see,,,,,,regarding celtic beating grattan,you could be in for a surprise,you can quote me now when i say that if celtic think Grattan are comin up to clon just for a drink and a spin on the bus'es they could well be on the roung side of a hidin ,,,and a if i was envolved with peakvilla id have a sneakin suspicion that grattan are better than kinsale and if peakvilla have to travel to cork for the next round it wont be a repeat of there last trip,,,,,,,, ,Grattan are a class side,we played um this season an we got to the last 16 of the fai last year and they have beatin us twice,the second time it was like chasin shadows there so good at holdin the ball and they break like lightening,to make matters worse there hard as nails and very fit,twas like playin bloody robots our a team manager said,,what celtic choose to make of my comments is up to them,,,,,beware the Gratts,at your own expense ???????????????????????????????

**hooperlooper** · 10/01/2007, 11:03 PM

in the CORK AUL there are 11 divisions that are all able to enter the fai or mjc cup,130 teams in total,in the MUNSTER SENIOR LEAGUE,JUNIOR SECTION there are 3 divisions of roughly 30 teams,in the CORK BUSINESS LEAGUE there are 4 divisions with again roughly 40 sides and to cap it off theWEST CORK BOTTLING LEAGUE has 3 divisions at least with about 40 teams,they are all encluded in the CORK regional draw for the fai and mjc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thats altogether,,,thats 20 different divisions,roughly 240 teams,,,,,,no other section in the country has to play through that to get to the open round,pardon me but in the stdl theres about 40 sides,and the rest of tipp another 40,thats 80,limerick say 80 and waterford 60,for the sake of it between lim,tipp and watrfd,say 220,thats between 3 entire counties,,,,,,which ever way you look at it,theres abetter chance of reaching the open round of the fai junior or the mjc if your outside of cork,that wether you like it or not is a fact and if any one would like to disagree with me belt away but you cant hide the simple truth,its there for all to see,,,,,,regarding celtic beating grattan,you could be in for a surprise,you can quote me know when i say that if celtic think Grattan are comin up to clon just for a if i was envolved with peakvilla id have a sneakin suspicion that grattan are better that kinsale and if peakvilla have to travel to cork for the next round it wont be a repeat of there last trip,,,,,,,,if celtic think Grattan are travellin up for a day out on the bus and a few pints there on the way to a hammerin,Grattan are a class side,we played um this season,we got to the last 16 of the fai last year and they have beatin us twice,the second time it was like chasin shadows there so good at holdin the ball and they break like lightening,to make matters worse there hard as nails and very fit,twas like playin bloody robots our a team manager said

**tippsouth** · 11/01/2007, 2:37 PM

the Tipperary Southern & District League, North Tipperary & District League (NTDL) and the West Waterford/EastCork League all have to compete against each other in the first three rounds before just five teams can progress to the open draw stage

**Van The Man** · 11/01/2007, 3:30 PM

Originally Posted by hooperlooper

in the CORK AUL there are 11 divisions that are all able to enter the fai or mjc cup,130 teams in total,in the MUNSTER SENIOR LEAGUE,JUNIOR SECTION there are 3 divisions of roughly 30 teams,in the CORK BUSINESS LEAGUE there are 4 divisions with again roughly 40 sides and to cap it off theWEST CORK BOTTLING LEAGUE has 3 divisions at least with about 40 teams,they are all encluded in the CORK regional draw for the fai and mjc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thats altogether,,,thats 20 different divisions,roughly 240 teams,,,,,,no other section in the country has to play through that to get to the open round,pardon me but in the stdl theres about 40 sides,and the rest of tipp another 40,thats 80,limerick say 80 and waterford 60,for the sake of it between lim,tipp and watrfd,say 220,thats between 3 entire counties,,,,,,which ever way you look at it,theres abetter chance of reaching the open round of the fai junior or the mjc if your outside of cork,that wether you like it or not is a fact and if any one would like to disagree with me belt away but you cant hide the simple truth,its there for all to see,,,,,,regarding celtic beating grattan,you could be in for a surprise,you can quote me now when i say that if celtic think Grattan are comin up to clon just for a drink and a spin on the bus'es they could well be on the roung side of a hidin ,,,and a if i was envolved with peakvilla id have a sneakin suspicion that grattan are better than kinsale and if peakvilla have to travel to cork for the next round it wont be a repeat of there last trip,,,,,,,, ,Grattan are a class side,we played um this season an we got to the last 16 of the fai last year and they have beatin us twice,the second time it was like chasin shadows there so good at holdin the ball and they break like lightening,to make matters worse there hard as nails and very fit,twas like playin bloody robots our a team manager said,,what celtic choose to make of my comments is up to them,,,,,beware the Gratts,at your own expense ???????????????????????????????

Hooper, you seem to have your homework done when it comes to defending how easy or not easy it is to come out of any section in the Junior Cup, Junior Cup football is never easy, some giants are slain by minnows and visa versa...it's all the fun of the fair when it comes to the Junior Cup... Between the 4 Leagues that you have, AUL, MSL, Business League & West Cork League you have 21 Divisions, 240 Teams and possibly 3,600 players approx, which as you say is a fact for all to see which I don't doubt..not to disagree with you but just curious....Those figures might frighten anybody off, but you did mention that the 240 teams COULD enter the FAI Cup.....but in fairness how many actually did ?? Possibly just 73 teams (in or around), so compare that to the TSDL and see how the % of getting to the open draw compares

**hooperlooper** · 12/01/2007, 3:08 AM

bang on van,your right not all teams in cork apply,only 81 this year,last year 157 at the time of the draw but the poorer sides have learned that if they enter the fai or mjc they will at best maybe beat another side of equal or better standard but never the less they will run into the premier junior sides at some stage an get whooped,so rather than get hammered they dont apply,the off set of that is the rest of the sides that apply are of a high standard,you get no easy games down here know matter what the round,if clonmel town had to play st mics or a team of the same standard in every round from the get go id like to see how consistant they would be by the time they get to the open /5th round.i agree the joy of the game is pitting yourself against another team for another county,but i think it should be structured differently,this is only me talkin now when i say this if they opened it at the 4th round things would be a lot more interesting for everyone, a hell of a lot more surprises and you wouldnt have the same old faces in the final 32,plus for the final 64 draw teams from the same county should have to play each other,if you reach the final 64 you should either have to travell outside your county to play or have a home game,theres nothing more annoying than gettn 2 the open round and then drawin the team from a hundred yards up the road

**tippsouth** · 13/01/2007, 9:45 PM

think its a little unfair clonmel town bs having to play tomorrow mornin even though the a's are playing the biggest match of their season later that day. i know its different teams but still!

**stevie11** · 15/01/2007, 3:21 PM

Its de same for every team in de TSDL when it comes to gettin free sunday's apart from St Michaels..Most teams have difficulty gettin games off apart from them,think its sumthing got to do with the secretary of the league is from tipp town and goes to all their games..Anybody agree??

**tippsouth** · 15/01/2007, 5:27 PM

couldnt agree with u any more. tommy lewis has always favoured st. michaels. when it comes to match times, referees and opposition teams michaels always seem to get it their way.

**balls** · 15/01/2007, 5:31 PM

disgraceful to be speaking about tommy lewis like that. without him league would be a lot worse off.

**wilhelm2** · 16/01/2007, 8:20 AM

Originally Posted by tippsouth

think its a little unfair clonmel town bs having to play tomorrow mornin even though the a's are playing the biggest match of their season later that day. i know its different teams but still!

if clonmel town bs were given a free fixture every time their a,s were playing
there biggest match of the season, the b,s would never get their season finished. At least they got a morning kickoff and the a team were at home.
if they were away they might have a case. so whats the problem???

**Van The Man** · 16/01/2007, 8:24 AM

Originally Posted by tippsouth

couldnt agree with u any more. tommy lewis has always favoured st. michaels. when it comes to match times, referees and opposition teams michaels always seem to get it their way.

You might be right, I'm not one to say but if he is so much in favour of Saints re match times, referees and opposition teams, why does he have Saints A's at 11.00am and their B's at 11.30am this Sunday ? If Lewis was so much in favour wouldn't you think he'd put the fixtures at pm and another at am ???
What really gets to me in the league is when TSDL teams are playing in the FAI or MJC (away) on a Sunday that the league decide to have the B teams play in the am, now that surely doesn't makes sense

Can anyone tell me if Peak Villa have any players on the Oscar Traynor Team ? Looking at the fixtures for the 27th/28th, I see the Oscar Traynor have a game against the Defence Forces on Sat 27th and Peak have a Tipp Cup game on Sun 28th, surely this can't be correct ???

**wilhelm2** · 16/01/2007, 8:27 AM

very surprised with cahir result on sunday
with cahir getting trashed and killester trashing borris
it doesn,t look good for peake villa who could only draw with these two teams lately ????

gratton should be favs to win at home????