Galway promoted - Setanta's mistake

**DotTV** · 07/12/2006, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Thank you; I believe I shall.

Do you see how every club can be "in favour" of the proposals and yet how that doesn't mean fans have to be in favour?

It doesn't matter if the fans aren't in favour.It's too late. If the fans had a problem with it they should have made it known to the club officials before a decision was taken to sign up to the league.At this stage it's all hot air.Some clubs will lose out, that's just tough ****.
Regardless of whether certain fans agree with it or not you still can't blame a particular club if they get promoted.United didn't invent the rules and as the table shows below they have far from qualified yet.
This was in the Mirror today:
Marks out of 500 for sporting criteria 2002-2006:
1. Shels 493
2. Cork 460
2. Derry 460
4. Drogheda 437
5. Longford 430
6. Bohemains 420
7. St Pats 410
8. Shamrock Rovers 380
9. UCD 370
10. Sligo 340
11. Waterford 337
12. Bray 333
13 Finn Harps 283
14 Galway Utd 260
15. Cobh, Limerick, Dundalk 247

**Dj Duffer** · 07/12/2006, 11:07 AM

Im not believing anything till monday, the amount of rumours going around is unreall.. And plus its the mirror!

**Patrick Dunne** · 07/12/2006, 11:45 AM

I can't see us gaining 73 points out of 500 over Bray Wanderers. We possibly will catch Harps - 23 points not a huge gap.

**pineapple stu** · 07/12/2006, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by DotTV

It doesn't matter if the fans aren't in favour.

Didn't know you worked for the FAI.

Originally Posted by DotTV

If the fans had a problem with it they should have made it known to the club officials before a decision was taken to sign up to the league.

It was made known. However, the fact that the clubs were effectively bullied into voting this in doesn't in the least mean that we all have to think it's a great idea, which is what the original point was.

**DotTV** · 07/12/2006, 12:53 PM

Any proof of this "bullying" Pineapple?

Patrick, Utd are fairly on the ball for the off the field activities.I'd say they'd be near the top of the points for that.
I haven't a clue what kind of state Bray are in but 73 points isn't an insurmountable gap by any means.
Also what kind of a league is it going to be with at least 5 teams from Dublin?

**Patrick Dunne** · 07/12/2006, 12:55 PM

If the representative of UCD voted for a proposal that he and his club were opposed to, the only conclusion one can come to is that he is not very bright.

Bray appear to be a reasonably well run club. They are never in financial trouble, never seem to be involved in embarrassing "brushes for corner flags" type incidents, have improved their ground this season, and seem to have decent enough attendances.

We will be doing well to score effectively 15% higher than them for off-field criteria.

**pineapple stu** · 07/12/2006, 12:55 PM

Only what various club officials from various clubs have told me. Nothing in writing unfortunately, so you can believe it or not - I don't really care. Doesn't change the reality of it.

Edit - good man Patrick. Hope you looked before you leapt at that conclusion. How about the fact that we weren't willing to jeopardise E1.25m of grant funding which was announced the week after the vote? How about the fact that if we voted against the FAI, the FAI would remember that in times to come? Do you think 99.99% of Iraqi voters favoured Saddam Hussein?

**gufct** · 07/12/2006, 1:01 PM

Get a grip stu your moaning is unbelievable.I dont know one way or the other whether were going up but if we dont we have a plan b in place which will be implemented on Tuesday night and then the real work starts.

**Conor H** · 07/12/2006, 1:06 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Only what various club officials from various clubs have told me. Nothing in writing unfortunately, so you can believe it or not - I don't really care. Doesn't change the reality of it.

Edit - good man Patrick. Hope you looked before you leapt at that conclusion. How about the fact that we weren't willing to jeopardise E1.25m of grant funding which was announced the week after the vote? How about the fact that if we voted against the FAI, the FAI would remember that in times to come? Do you think 99.99% of Iraqi voters favoured Saddam Hussein?

Comparing UCD voting for the proposals of the FAI and the Iraqi people voting for Sadamm is a tad over dramatic.

**pineapple stu** · 07/12/2006, 1:07 PM

Of course, it's just nonsensical moaning.

See, this is what the original query was about. This is one of the most stupid things the FAI has ever done, with absolutely no back up that it'll work, no proper plan in place to make it work, clearly against all sporting principles, talk about favours from the FAI and leaked information which could set some clubs back years, people talking about legal challenges everywhere and Galway fans - almost exclusively Galway fans - think that everyone's only having an aul moan.

Conor H - care to back up your comment? I've outlined the comparisons quite clearly.

**Patrick Dunne** · 07/12/2006, 1:07 PM

As bad as they are, I don't think they FAI would ever use chemical gas in the leafy suburbs of South Dublin, thus precipitating an American invasion of the area.

**Conor H** · 07/12/2006, 1:11 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Of course, it's just nonsensical moaning.

Conor H - care to back up your comment? I've outlined the comparisons quite clearly.

I think PD sums it up well.
Stu It's not our fault we may benefit from the new proposals.Such an Irish thing.....when someone does something wright certain elements get upset.I haven't a notion of argueing with ya....i'm gonna try and remain quiet on foot.ie for a while.

**Terry** · 07/12/2006, 1:18 PM

Originally Posted by DotTV

Also what kind of a league is it going to be with at least 5 teams from Dublin?

a normal one !

**Terry** · 07/12/2006, 1:26 PM

Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Do you think 99.99% of Iraqi voters favoured Saddam Hussein?

they would now !!!!

**DotTV** · 07/12/2006, 1:56 PM

Pineapple, your original comment was this:
"The issue was why Galway are so happy to ignore what is clearly a travesty of sporting principles."

Regardless of whether certain supporters didn't want this, or if the FAI put pressure on clubs to sign up or UCD didn't object for political reasons, it is unfair to single out Galway Utd when every club(for whatever reasons) have agreed and accepted the terms surrounding the creation of this new league.

**DmanDmythDledge** · 07/12/2006, 4:04 PM

Originally Posted by Patrick Dunne

If the representative of UCD voted for a proposal that he and his club were opposed to, the only conclusion one can come to is that he is not very bright.

The only problem with that is that no grant money meant no stadium which would have meant losing marks in the criteria.

**pineapple stu** · 07/12/2006, 4:43 PM

Originally Posted by DotTV

Pineapple, your original comment was this:
"The issue was why Galway are so happy to ignore what is clearly a travesty of sporting principles."

Regardless of whether certain supporters didn't want this, or if the FAI put pressure on clubs to sign up or UCD didn't object for political reasons, it is unfair to single out Galway Utd when every club(for whatever reasons) have agreed and accepted the terms surrounding the creation of this new league.

But you're again completely overlooking the point. Galway fans are about the only ones who seem to think this is a great thing altogether, when it's clearly boll*x (regardless of whether you're going to stay down, stay up or get moved division). It's quite fair to single Galway fans out when Galway fans are the vast majority of those making positive soundings about this, and knocking those who (quite justifiably) criticise the whole thing as a farce.

Originally Posted by Conor H

I think PD sums it up well.
Stu It's not our fault we may benefit from the new proposals.Such an Irish thing.....when someone does something wright certain elements get upset.I haven't a notion of argueing with ya....i'm gonna try and remain quiet on foot.ie for a while.

When someone does something wright (sic!!)? Who did anything right here? Do you think the proposals are correct? The Genesis Report? I'm confused here.

PD doesn't sum it up well. He picks one thing Saddam did and notes how the league didn't do it, and therefore there's no link. People voted for Saddam because they were afraid of what would happen to them personally if they didn't. Ditto here.

**corbyeire** · 07/12/2006, 4:52 PM

without going crazily off topic - and this one has gone off topic already - way more iraqi civilians are dead now since march 2003 than ever under sadam

this is a terrible analogy - and collectively we are all wasting our time talking about it and particularly going off on tangents

lets just wait til monday - its going to happen - no matter what we say now

**pineapple stu** · 07/12/2006, 4:53 PM

And way more Irish football clubs are dead now since March 03 than in the previous 20 years. What's your point?

I countered your point earlier - just because you can show one difference between two things doesn't mean they don't function as an analogy. Didn't think someone would be quite as stupid as to make a point which had already been countered...