Bohs v Shels

**Sheridan** · 01/11/2006, 4:09 PM

Originally Posted by harps1954

Just think back a few years ago. Waterford United beat Dublin City and played an illegal player. Waterford were deducted three points but Dublin City wanted the game replayed. However, at that stage, the FAI didn't grant Dublin City their wish. Dublin City missed out in finishing in third place in the First Division to Finn Harps by two points. Because of their protest, appeals etc. the play-off between Finn Harps and Longford Town was delayed by almost three weeks. This is the exact same situation as to the one with Shels, but the FAI today made a completely different ruling - no consistency.

Didn't want to be the one to raise that, but it occurred to me immediately (furthermore, the ineligible player scored the goal which effectively deprived DC of a play-off berth. If that's not a blatant breach of natural justice I don't know what is.)

But really, I don't understand where this indignation is coming from. When the clubs ceded responsibility for such a fundamental aspect of professional football as the composition of the league itself, they effectively granted Delaney unfettered executive power. (While I agree to some extent with Dodge's earlier post on the subject, it's not true that the fans opposed this en bloc; most either shut up pretty smartly when they realised how handsomely their own clubs would benefit, or began spinning frantically in the opposite direction.)

You do all realise that "the interests of fair play" is a catchall which means whatever Delaney wants it to mean, and is now legally enshrined in precedent?

**wws** · 01/11/2006, 4:12 PM

Originally Posted by Sheridan

Didn't want to be the one to raise that, but it occurred to me immediately (furthermore, the ineligible player scored the goal which effectively deprived DC of a play-off berth. If that's not a blatant breach of natural justice I don't know what is.)

But really, I don't understand where this indignation is coming from. When the clubs ceded responsibility for such a fundamental aspect of professional football as the composition of the league itself, they effectively granted Delaney unfettered executive power. (While I agree to some extent with Dodge's earlier post on the subject, it's not true that the fans opposed this en bloc; most either shut up pretty smartly when they realised how handsomely their own clubs would benefit, or began spinning frantically in the opposite direction.)

You do all realise that "the interests of fair play" is a catchall which means whatever Delaney wants it to mean, and is now legally enshrined in precedent?

im open to correction here but tisnt the dealeyoh - yeah we accept the merger - new rulebook gets drafted and kicked in for next years format?

at the moment we're in the limbo stage between formats

thats why we still have EL decisions and FAI decisions runnin concurrently
and contradicting each other

we have the current mess cos this is the last year the clubs can play one rule book off the other

with predicatble carnage resulting

**DvB** · 01/11/2006, 4:14 PM

Originally Posted by Louth4sam

This is the same rovers who were bankrupt a couple of years ago and dont even have a home ground?? If they GAA get their way you wont either. What ya gonna do then??

The same rovers who have since gotten their house in order & when the GAA get kicked into touch will have a similar (if not better) ground deal than Dundalk have. Dundalk FC dont own their ground & no longer own Hyney Park either, so basically you have a lease of some description or other, end of story!! After that point is addressed i'd be quite confident our club is run in a superior manner if both games at Oriel Park this season are anything to go by.

Koh

**holidaysong** · 01/11/2006, 4:18 PM

We have a deal whereby as long as we wish to use Oriel Park to play our games it is ours to use. If we decide to move in the future then Oriel Park cannot be touched until we have played our first game in the new ground. How is that similar to what Rovers currently have?

**WeAreRovers** · 01/11/2006, 4:20 PM

Originally Posted by wws

at the moment we're in the limbo stage between formats

thats why we still have EL decisions and FAI decisions runnin concurrently
and contradicting each other

That's the nub of the matter and also the opportunity to tell them to stick their league and association where the sun don't shine.

KOH

**NY Hoop** · 01/11/2006, 4:22 PM

Come back to us when you have some control over the people you allow into your ground.

Compare how you were treated in tolka twice to how we were treated up there.

KOH

**Paraic** · 01/11/2006, 4:34 PM

Originally Posted by holidaysong

We have a deal whereby as long as we wish to use Oriel Park to play our games it is ours to use. If we decide to move in the future then Oriel Park cannot be touched until we have played our first game in the new ground. How is that similar to what Rovers currently have?

Lads don't get sucked into this kind of handbags in this thread.

I think wws is right, the merged league and rules will hopefully get rid of all the confusion.

For me, the fairest and simplest outcome is an automatic 3-0 score awarded to the opposition (assuming the actual result is no better) along with a hefty fine (on a sliding scale, depending on the actual result - ie if they lose three points, smaller fine etc ) for the team fielding the suspended player.

**Jerry The Saint** · 01/11/2006, 4:49 PM

Media Statement a h-aon

The FAI Appeal Board, having consulted all the available documentation and heard oral evidence, made the following decision:

� Deduction of three points against Bohemian F.C. to stand.

� Match between Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC to be replayed at the original venue.

� Match between Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC to be replayed as a matter of urgency.

The reasons for the FAI Appeal Board decision were as follows:

� The deduction of points against Bohemians FC stands due to the ineligibility of the Bohemians FC player.

� The Eircom League Premier Division match between Bohemian FC and Shelbourne FC is to be replayed in the interests of Fair Play.

Media Statement a d�

Following the decision of the FAI Appeal Board in relation to the Bohemians v Shelbourne fixture, eircom League Chairman Paddy McCaul has convened a meeting of the Board of Control for this Friday, November 3rd to consider the decision.

No further statement will be made at this time.

-o-

Below and attached is an updated Premier Division table reflecting the decision. Also attached is an updated Premier Division goalscorers list reflecting same.

-o-

Wait a sec, if the goalscorers list needs to be updated, does this mean that the original game has been expunged (Home Farm-style) from the records? So why would it need to be replayed then

If goals scored are being ignored, what about bookings incurred and suspensions? Which brings us back to the earlier point - can McGuinness play in this 'replay' and who should Bohs contact to find out who is eligible? (Ollie may have to supply them with a list of players)

**holidaysong** · 01/11/2006, 4:52 PM

What a complete mess...

Does the fact that the eL Board of Control are meeting to consider the FAI decision mean that they can choose to ignore it?

**bohs til i die** · 01/11/2006, 4:56 PM

Originally Posted by Jerry The Saint

Wait a sec, if the goalscorers list needs to be updated, does this mean that the original game has been expunged (Home Farm-style) from the records? So why would it need to be replayed then

If goals scored are being ignored, what about bookings incurred and suspensions? Which brings us back to the earlier point - can McGuinness play in this 'replay' and who should Bohs contact to find out who is eligible? (Ollie may have to supply them with a list of players)

Lurch has already served his suspension so is eligible to play.

**dcfcsteve** · 01/11/2006, 5:03 PM

Originally Posted by bohs til i die

Every club should do this. Deliberately played suspended players and keep getting re-plays.

Doge, just to point out, Bohs never appealed the punishment handed out 5/6 weeks ago. We are being told we have to replay the game by the FAI because Ollie appealed.

Now there's a gap in the rule book that needs fixing.

Surely no-one should be able to appeal a decision re another club ? Shels weren't a party to the decision/penalty, so should'nt be aloowed to appeal it.

Interesting to see the reason the FAI have given for their decision is "Fair Play" ! Does that mean the rules are now at the mercy of the FAI's discretion dependent upon their view of fair play ?

And if Fair Play was such an over-riding concern, then why didn't Shels play fair and tell Bohs about the suspension before the game started ? Fair play my arse....

**Student Mullet** · 01/11/2006, 5:05 PM

Aren't Bohs entitled to 2 weeks notice of any rearranged game? Shels would have to play them the night before the final league game, messing up their preperations or after the league ends, which would certainly be subject to appeal.

**paudie** · 01/11/2006, 5:08 PM

Originally Posted by Calcio Jack

I don't it is... whilst Rovers did appeal and took their case to arbitration... Dundalk did not make any effort at any stage to look for a replay... would be totally opportunistic of them to do so now .... !!

It would be opportunistic but i'd be surprised if they didn't at least think about it.

**bohs til i die** · 01/11/2006, 5:14 PM

Originally Posted by Student Mullet

Aren't Bohs entitled to 2 weeks notice of any rearranged game? Shels would have to play them the night before the final league game, messing up their preperations or after the league ends, which would certainly be subject to appeal.

and with a game on November 14th in Dalymount [Ireland v Scotland B international] and our players on holidays from November 18th/19th I cannot see when this will be played.

**dfx-** · 01/11/2006, 5:18 PM

2006 - A good year for Irish football......

**Gareth** · 01/11/2006, 5:20 PM

Thansk to all who offered teh rule book, it was almost thrown at me at one point

hehe

**lofty9** · 01/11/2006, 5:25 PM

Originally Posted by Gareth

Thansk to all who offered teh rule book, it was almost thrown at me at one point

hehe

and I threw the FAI one at you.

It's gonna be exciting when the FAI take control of things, what a mess they are.

If this goes to arbitration, who makes the final decision in the process?

**Gareth** · 01/11/2006, 5:30 PM

Possibly the decision could come down to Paper Scissors Rock. But that system could prove too complex.

**Anto McC** · 01/11/2006, 5:36 PM

Just when you thought they couldn't get any worse,just when you thought they couldn't make another absolutely terrible decision,just when you thought they couldn't be anymore detrimental to our national league.......

Ladies and Gentlemen,i give you........the FAI