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What do you stand for, let it all out, what is your political viewpoints on everything. Show conviction in your beliefs. Where did all go wrong for leftiie sean and the millions killed in the last 15 by the left?
I have been a lefty when I was younger, As I grew older and particularly watching the lefties of about the last 15 years, well then you would have to be irrational to have any, faith / hope, in these charlatans !Originally Posted by Nesta99
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What do you stand for, let it all out, what is your political viewpoints on everything. Show conviction in your beliefs. Where did all go wrong for leftiie sean and the millions killed in the last 15 by the left?
If you back , say 15 years, you can, see / hear, lefties say stuff that they are now pushing the direct opposite of.
E.G. Lefties were for the economic interests of the working class. Now they push this stuff, "identity politics."
Say, 15 years ago; Many left-wing parties were more skeptical of globalization and free trade agreements, arguing that they led to a "race to the bottom" in terms of wages and worker protections. They often supported national industries and protectionist policies to safeguard domestic jobs.
You are confusing liberal left with communism Sean. I think you are confused to be honest. At a very simple level there is a left/centrist/right approach to two major categories - economic and cultural/societal. Maybe government is a third but i see it as embedded in the two main categories. My very rudimentary and simplified view of politics today is as per the below...
Economic - tax the corporations, wealthy individuals, redistribute or invest in welfare/social programs v. low tax, light regulation, free market, individual capability/hard work gets rewarded
Societal - diversity first, change = progress, identity/group politics v. tradition matters, cautious of change, institutional value/trust.
You can double click on all of these and it gets more nuanced and complex. But communism had, for example, no real interest in diversity or identity politics - outside of defining a working class. In otherwords, Communism is/was economically left and societally ambiguous compared to leftism today. Reducing the discussion to communism is not helpful and the issue calls for more nuance than you are willing or able to entertain.
If the above categorization is close enough for debate's sake, i would consider myself leaning left economically and leaning right societally.
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This seems relevant to the discussion: https://www.thejournal.ie/factcheck-...19365-Sep2025/
While there was an increase in far left violence during Tump term one (and presumably there is this time) it was still far out weighed by far right violence.
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this is one of the reports that underpins the above article. Interestingly... if you accept the definitions of far-left and far-right as sound, and at face value that the research approach was valid and not influenced by bias, the numbers behind the numbers are really interesting. In the discussion section, it talks about far-right = high incident count; far-left = higher kills per incident. It also shows that the trend lines, as of 2020, are converging [minus Biden and Trump V2.0 data]. It also claims that incidents for both far-left and far-right were high under Clinton. It also doesnt include 9/11 incident as far-left, despite it appearing to align with the definition of far-left (and it doesnt really attempt to explain its omission).
The discussion section is well worth a read.
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For a Country that Champions free speech and has Free speech written into the 1st Amendment of the Constitution, this week is testing it. A talk show host gets suspended for making a comment about Charlie Kirk that the Fat Fuhrer disagreed with and we are one step closer to State Run Tv, ala North Korea.
Its really not that complicated!!!
it'd probably be a good bit better than American late night talk show TV though.
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Not even the first late night chat show host to have it happen to him this year, after the news that The Late Show with Stephen Colbert will end in June
No but this one is more blatant, the Chairman of the FCC threatened ABC unless they got rid of Kimmell.
This is worth listening to, Trump says out loud that late night hosts are not allowed to criticize him
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1968764548195729674
Its really not that complicated!!!
I thought this was a really well written and balanced article.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c78n0e83ye0o
idealistic in todays climate and with current political leadership but true nonetheless.The reality is that those who study extremism believe that left-right may not even be the most helpful way to look at the division of this current moment.
"It's better to look at what's causing people to be ungovernable," says Rachel Kleinfeld, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace who specialises in polarised democracies.
"It does take a desire to turn down the temperature… [and] requires people to have a little more courage than they're showing.
"I think it is more useful to focus on how we as a society turn a page and open a new chapter, because this is like a bad marriage. And like a bad marriage, you can only lose by pointing fingers."
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Its the childish finger pointing that I find tiresome. Its like a schoolyard he said she said (or whatever their pronoun of choice is) and 2 gangs forming and throwing LoI Ultra type shapes at each other and carries on in to a couple of groups who spend all their time bitching about each other, they even have the Traveller like call-out videos. It is serious that it is so childish at its core with the deliberate inability for the ordinary people to engage in a reasonable and rational manner. One side are a bunch of sycophants and the other has been too preachy prior to causing a cult to form. All rooted in extreme inequity, poverty, growing disparity and unbalanced distribution of wealth over a pretty short space of time in the wealthiest country on the planet.
I assume that posters would agree that the ANTIFA violence is Left-Wing violence !
I assume the posters would agree that the BLM violence is Left-Wing violence !
Yeah? Is that supposed to be some kind of gotcha?
How do you feel about the head of the FCC threatening a broadcaster's licence because a TV comedian made a very mild political joke? The objectionable line seems to have been that MAGA were struggling with the idea that the Kirk shooter was "one of their own". Meanwhile, it was silent when Fox News broadcast a suggestion that homeless people be murdered by lethal injection. The head of the FCC is one of the authors of Project 2025.
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Can facts be a gotcha ?
In fairness, I suggest that Jimmy Kimmel's employers were just waiting for the right time to get rid of him ( as were Stephen Colbert's employers ) ~ ~ Their viewing figures are shockingly low ~ ~ They had become party political and very unfunny ( opposite of funny in fact ) ~ ~ How come these guys fail to work out that they are supposed to entertain by being funny and entertaining ?
Let's say the host of the Late Late Show spent every show shilling for Sinn Féin ( just to give an example ) ~ ~ How long realistically could that be allowed to continue ?
The real surprise is ~ ~ How the hell were Colbert and Kimmel allowed to get away with producing such boring dirge for so long ~ ~ And with such low viewing figure.
I suppose now, Jimmy Kimmel can go back to Black-Face and being a public pervert behind a woman on TV ! !
None of that is what I asked about. How do you feel about the government regulator threatening the license of a broadcaster for nakedly political reasons?
Some of it is bunk too, e.g., Colbert was the highest rated show in his time-slot last year.
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You can't spell failure without FAI
Isn't it funny how the troll is still dominating the conversation because people keep feeding him?
He lost approx 10-12% viewers over summer months when traditionally TV rating drop due to holidays and longer bright hours. Trump has lost 15-20% on his approval ratings since his inauguration
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That's almost the crux of the issue though isn't it? How do you change these extreme views if you don't keep trying to engage? It seems that belligerence and ignorance has become the way to "win" any argument. I very rarely engage in debate online because it's been very polarising for a long time, nobody has ever won an argument on the internet after all, but what else is there at this point? Just try and let the "post-truth" era run its course? Maybe a massive rise in infant mortality due to the anti vax crowd, or a full scale world war might start to change things? It's hard to see anything other than a generation of suffering before things might start to moderate in the US at least. Where are the moderate Republican's gone? It's mad to be yearning for someone as balanced and statesman like as George W Bush!
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