American Politics

[seanfhear]

Ever taken unemployment benefit, if you have kids and kept childrens allowance, recieved healthcare that you have not paid for in full, taken sickpay, if you intend to recieve an old age pension and a whole lot more provided for by the state. If the answer to any of these is yes then you are a leftie by action and your words are hence meaningless!

I have been a lefty when I was younger, As I grew older and particularly watching the lefties of about the last 15 years, well then you would have to be irrational to have any, faith / hope, in these charlatans !

[Nesta99]

Evasion goes on!

What do you stand for, let it all out, what is your political viewpoints on everything. Show conviction in your beliefs. Where did all go wrong for leftiie sean and the millions killed in the last 15 by the left?

[seanfhear]

Evasion goes on!

What do you stand for, let it all out, what is your political viewpoints on everything. Show conviction in your beliefs. Where did all go wrong for leftiie sean and the millions killed in the last 15 by the left?

If you back , say 15 years, you can, see / hear, lefties say stuff that they are now pushing the direct opposite of.

E.G. Lefties were for the economic interests of the working class. Now they push this stuff, "identity politics."

Say, 15 years ago; Many left-wing parties were more skeptical of globalization and free trade agreements, arguing that they led to a "race to the bottom" in terms of wages and worker protections. They often supported national industries and protectionist policies to safeguard domestic jobs.

[SkStu]

You are confusing liberal left with communism Sean. I think you are confused to be honest. At a very simple level there is a left/centrist/right approach to two major categories - economic and cultural/societal. Maybe government is a third but i see it as embedded in the two main categories. My very rudimentary and simplified view of politics today is as per the below...

Economic - tax the corporations, wealthy individuals, redistribute or invest in welfare/social programs v. low tax, light regulation, free market, individual capability/hard work gets rewarded
Societal - diversity first, change = progress, identity/group politics v. tradition matters, cautious of change, institutional value/trust.

You can double click on all of these and it gets more nuanced and complex. But communism had, for example, no real interest in diversity or identity politics - outside of defining a working class. In otherwords, Communism is/was economically left and societally ambiguous compared to leftism today. Reducing the discussion to communism is not helpful and the issue calls for more nuance than you are willing or able to entertain.

If the above categorization is close enough for debate's sake, i would consider myself leaning left economically and leaning right societally.