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    Quote Originally Posted by elatedscum View Post
    Except he was born in Berlin, grew up and lived his entire life in Germany, his first language is German, he went to school in germany, he collects jerseys from all his underage german teammates. When asked what he watches, he says German youtubers. And for the record, his favourite dinner is a smash burger, specifically from Berlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Nj58NTQiA

    You could compare him to Owen Elding in that his father moved to Ireland for work or to Cheo Ogbene or Festy Ebosele in that both parents are from Nigeria. But the fact is, he was a german u15-u19, winning an u17 euros in Hungary for Germany and he chose to defect less than 2 years later. I know nationalities are very complicated but he's clearly both Hungarian and German. Hungary got both Kerkez and him.

    We get Oisin Gallagher and Sean Moore but lose Conor Bradley and Justin Devenny. We get Josh Cullen and Conor Coventry but not Declan Rice. We get Callum Robinson and lose Jack Grealish. We get whoever that random lad who plays in MLS was and we don't get Jack McGlynn. We get Connor Noss but don't get Paul Nebel.

    It's not that we're not winning any battles (see Michael Obafemi, Rocco Vata), it's just seems that the ones that really matter, we've lost to both bigger teams and smaller teams.
    The question possibly is - are the FAI able to identify the next great talent and are we doing enough to convince him to play for us? For example, have we invited JJ Gabriel to Lansdowne Road to see us play Hungary? Has he been introduced to Caoimhin Kelleher and Evan Ferguson and Nathan Collins? That's what we should have been doing with Liam Delap, making sure he was encouraged to embrace his Irishness and he had memories of Ireland and connected his father's Irish career to his own potential career. Seeing a full stadium in a competitive game. Once a few years ago, I was on the pitch just before a competitive Ireland match. It was one of the most incredible experiences, just how big the stadium was and how electric it felt leading up to a game.

    Anyway this is a total aside to the game on Saturday but I just thought it was notable.
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    It is - and you are 100% right (my only beef was the comparisons you chose) - your point stands without them!

    I dont know if this is in exactly the same vein but I think that, with most of our diaspora in England we are up against the "Rule Britannia" machine. Its impossible for most born there, even ones with Irish parents, not to get caught up in the relentless "proud Englander" mentality/culture. So there's an additional barrier even before things agents whispering about earnings potential and sponsorship deals etc get in your ears. Rightly or wrongly, I dont see that cultural challenge as being so acute in mainland Europe so perhaps the stakes are different and just aren't as high?

    Its interesting that we seem to do fair to middling with some of the countries where the Irish eligible talent is smaller? Theres a few highly rated youngsters in Spain, France, Portugal that have chosen us for underage...whether they stick or twist if/when they fulfil their potential and the stakes gets higher remains to be seen i suppose. Nordies are just...different. We've won over a few quality Scots but maybe lost a few battles there that we should or could have won. We lost out on a couple of Danes and Finns... Dont know that we ever lost Nebel - I think the degree of the connection is still the biggest factor in likelihood of winning - 4 grandparents > 1 grandparent... an Irish dad > an Irish mammy (maybe? ...that gets your foot in the door...you still need to work hard to overcome all the other obstacles i mentioned above...

    Without doubt, we definitely lost Grealish. Rice is a w@nkbag. There are so many others we could/should have won where our foot was well and truly in the door in terms of a family connection (Kane dad, Rooney would have accepted a senior call up, Ampadu Wales).

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    Quote Originally Posted by elatedscum View Post
    Except he was born in Berlin, grew up and lived his entire life in Germany, his first language is German, he went to school in germany, he collects jerseys from all his underage german teammates. When asked what he watches, he says German youtubers. And for the record, his favourite dinner is a smash burger, specifically from Berlin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Nj58NTQiA

    You could compare him to Owen Elding in that his father moved to Ireland for work or to Cheo Ogbene or Festy Ebosele in that both parents are from Nigeria. But the fact is, he was a german u15-u19, winning an u17 euros in Hungary for Germany and he chose to defect less than 2 years later. I know nationalities are very complicated but he's clearly both Hungarian and German. Hungary got both Kerkez and him.

    We get Oisin Gallagher and Sean Moore but lose Conor Bradley and Justin Devenny. We get Josh Cullen and Conor Coventry but not Declan Rice. We get Callum Robinson and lose Jack Grealish. We get whoever that random lad who plays in MLS was and we don't get Jack McGlynn. We get Connor Noss but don't get Paul Nebel.

    It's not that we're not winning any battles (see Michael Obafemi, Rocco Vata), it's just seems that the ones that really matter, we've lost to both bigger teams and smaller teams.
    We got Rice and Grealish.... and lost them because of Martin O'Neill and his stubborness
    Its really not that complicated!!!

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    We didn't lose Conor Bradley, we never had him in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetsujin1979 View Post
    We didn't lose Conor Bradley, we never had him in the first place
    There’s a guy I’ve known since i was about 4 years old who was a close family friend and friend of his late father - along with being a big Liverpool and Ireland fan (from the north). I can’t remember his exactly quote now but it was something along the lines of “I can’t believe how the FAI have ****ed this up and how he’s not playing for Ireland”. It was certainly his belief that from a very very young age, it was very clear that Conor was the brightest prospect to come out of the north since Norman Whiteside and it would have been very easy to have courted him and made him feel wanted at an early age while the IFA were doing the same thing. And if they had done that, he would have chosen to have played for us. I’ve never heard anything to contradict that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elatedscum View Post
    There’s a guy I’ve known since i was about 4 years old who was a close family friend and friend of his late father - along with being a big Liverpool and Ireland fan (from the north). I can’t remember his exactly quote now but it was something along the lines of “I can’t believe how the FAI have ****ed this up and how he’s not playing for Ireland”. It was certainly his belief that from a very very young age, it was very clear that Conor was the brightest prospect to come out of the north since Norman Whiteside and it would have been very easy to have courted him and made him feel wanted at an early age while the IFA were doing the same thing. And if they had done that, he would have chosen to have played for us. I’ve never heard anything to contradict that.
    Bradley could have also reached out to FAI and say he wants to play for us and not NI... he seems happy enough with his decision
    Its really not that complicated!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Razors left peg View Post
    Bradley could have also reached out to FAI and say he wants to play for us and not NI... he seems happy enough with his decision
    Exactly This is nonsense talk blamong the fai for a decision that clesrly bradley and his family made forvtheir own reasons. If Bradley wanted to play his family simply needed to contact the fai. It wasn't as if he was an unknown . When he played against us in the victory shield at under 16s it was known he was signing for Liverpool. That irish team had ollie o neill louie Barry and egan Riley so it wasn't like the fai were concentrating on just irish born lads. Lee Harkin who is from Derry played as well so he had obviously been bothered enough to contact the fai.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elatedscum View Post
    Listened to that RTE podcast. Few interesting things from it. Journalist reckoned that it wasn’t a certainty than Kerkez would start and he thought he wouldn’t be surprised if Nagy started cause he’s better defensively and more orthodox and experienced and Kerkez has missed a lot of games and hasn’t really done well in the system.
    On Kerkez, I read a bit on him last week and there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of love for him at all, either in the press or to what some quotes were saying, the players either - and the clear references to his non-Magyar background seemed to be the basis for him taking some heat (similar to one of our flock and his clear bias for disparaging our players of African heritage). But it would be some move to not pick Kerkez in such an important game.

    He also highlighted Sallai who will play right wing and plays right back for Galatasaray as a noted attacking threat and said Varga would play as centre forward and was playing very well for Robbie Keane after a long term injury last summer and taking a while to return to his best form.
    Sallai looked relatively decent in the past. He's sort of a goal threat too.

    He also said he was very surprised that Callum O’Dowda wasn’t called up, especially considering that five of his teammates were involved with Hungary and many were likely to start, so even the insider knowledge us to their strengths and weaknesses would be a huge benefit.
    Even allowing for the fact that he's not there that long, surely it would have been the smart move? I suggested that he should have been there for that very reason - not to mention that we're not overly stacked on that side of the pitch and the boy is a danger from set-pieces too.

    Finally, I think it’s worth noting that Bence Dardai has chosen to play for Hungary. Not a stretch to make comparisons with both Paul Nebel and Liam Delap. Nebel in that he’s German born and grew up there and was a really highly regarded Germany u16, 17, 18 and 19 before switching at age 19 while playing regularly in the Bundesliga. Delap in that his father was a Hungary international and he began representing the country of his birth rather than the country his father represented before eventually switching. Our record over the last decade has been really poor in recruiting the elite options with us failing to get Jack Grealish, Declan Rice, Liam Delap, Paul Nebel, Jack McGlynn, Conor Bradley to name but a few. Hungary got Dardai and they also got Kerkez who is born and raised in Serbia and qualifies for Hungary just through his grandmother to name but two.
    Given you are so well-informed generally, I'm going to assume you not the Dardaí history? They are Magyar legends. Legends. He was never gonna play for anyone else but Hungary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elatedscum View Post
    But the fact is, he was a german u15-u19, winning an u17 euros in Hungary for Germany and he chose to defect less than 2 years later. I know nationalities are very complicated but he's clearly both Hungarian and German. Hungary got both Kerkez and him.
    And what we're seeing is that Underage football is all nice and wonderful, but **** gets real from 21s up.
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    I really really hope this optimism and positivity comes to fruition, but I'm not so sure to be honest.

    https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2025...cial-mccarthy/

    "My expectation is we're going to be in America next year."

    Words from Ireland assistant coach Paddy McCarthy, uttered with absolute sincerity and belief on the eve of the World Cup qualifying campaign.

    The Crystal Palace stalwart has watched the team emerge from adversity throughout the last 12 months under the guidance of new manager Heimir Hallgrimsson, and he is convinced that the current squad are on the cusp of something special heading into the opening game against Hungary on Saturday evening.

    "Definite progress" is what McCarthy has witnessed since agreeing to be part of the coaching ticket for his national side, which started under John O'Shea’s interim time in charge in the summer of 2024.

    And McCarthy said that it was a no-brainer to answer his country’s call, and has remained involved since Hallgrimsson took the reins ahead of the last Nations League campaign.

    Those opening six games were a mixed bag for the new regime, with four humbling defeats to England and Greece, while two victories against Finland offered hope ahead of the 2025 calendar year.

    That started with two hard-fought wins over Bulgaria, home and away, to maintain their Nations League second-tier status, and it also signalled the emergence of a more resilient Irish side, securing two come-from-behind wins.

    "I am seeing patterns, I am seeing resilience," said McCarthy, speaking to the media this week.

    "I think back to the two Bulgaria games, we go a goal behind, maybe previously this young team might not have had the capabilities of getting back into the game.

    "Some lads with 30-odd caps are now the more experienced players in the team, they have been through a lot of adversity, and my belief is they have grown through that adversity.

    "Any success story in sport will always have that, it's a definite that adversity is before success and I believe that although it was tough times before and they had a lot of criticism, maybe unjust, but we are on the cusp of something and I hope the players show their true capabilities as I am confident going into this campaign."

    McCarthy has also told the players that they are good enough to qualify and added that he would not be taking time out from a very busy job at Crystal Palace if he felt that they had no chance.

    "I hope so," said the Dubliner, when asked did the players believe they can qualify.

    "I hope they understand I wouldn’t lie to them, hope they know I have a very busy job back in England and I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t think they had the capabilities of qualifying for this tournament.

    "So I want to work with great players and I feel we have great potential in this team at the moment and have seen the growth on and off the pitch in their confidence and stature.

    "And I have felt an energy shift from you guys as well (the media), and an energy shift from the Irish public in general in support of this team.

    "I think everyone is going into this campaign with a belief that we can qualify and the players are, from what I have seen and felt in the hotel and on the training pitch we just came off, I have really felt that.

    "So I am looking forward to Saturday. Like I said, and I will reiterate, we will respect each opposition, but we will also have a great belief in what we can do and who we are."

    McCarthy also took time to pay tribute to Hallgrimsson who he feels deserves most of the plaudits for turning the team around over the last 12 months, while also acknowledging the thankless task that Stephen Kenny performed for giving so many players vital experience.

    "I think the great work that was done before has to be recognised, because there was a lot of great work to bed these young players and give them opportunity and recycle the team and put us in this position now.

    "But certainly the manager has come in and I believe he has implemented his ideas quite quickly and has given autonomy to myself and John (O’Shea) to do what we want to do.

    "His personality is very evident and that is infectious and I think any team is a representation of the manager and I think you will have seen that in the last number of games."

    McCarthy had a long playing career in England, however, he never managed to win a senior cap, having represented Ireland from Under-17 to U21 level.

    But the Edenmore man admits that he is in dreamland at the moment working for his long-time club, Palace, while helping with the national team.

    "Any time my country calls me, I will be there in any capacity," he said. "As a player, I didn’t maybe didn’t get the caps I would have liked, but there are reasons for that.

    "When I came into my prime, I suffered a lot with injuries, probably before that, maybe a lack of experience and maybe a little bit too ill-tempered and hot-headed. So there are reasons why I didn’t get the caps I potentially deserved.

    "But yeah, absolutely I'm here now today. I'm humbled by the opportunity. I'm deeply grateful for getting a phone call when John rang me, it was a complete no-brainer, it was a straight yes.

    "Then to be afforded and approved by the football club to allow me to do it alongside my day-to-day job, I mean, it's dreamland stuff and I'm hoping that I've made some sort of impact on the team and I can help get where we want to get it."
    When Ireland last played at the World Cup in 2002, a 19-year-old McCarthy was taking his first tentative steps in English league football, while coming through at Manchester City.

    And his memories of Ireland’s remarkable voyage throughout the group stages and into the knockout phase in Japan and Korea?

    "Oh, my memory of that World Cup is probably Santa Ponsa in a bar with my friends," he pondered with a smile on his face.

    "Quinn flicked it on and Robbie Keane scored the goal, so good memories.

    "The Spain game, I’d just found out that my wife Niamh was pregnant, so there was a lot going on in my life at that moment alongside obviously being at Manchester City and looking to progress my career, fighting for a career in the game.

    "So these moments inspire a generation like myself in '94 and 1990, people that were involved in that are legendary.

    "I still see Charlie O’Leary in the presidential box after the game. He is a legend in my eyes because he lived close by where I’m from in Edenmore, he’s from Harmonstown, just by being the kit man in them competitions, he’s held in legendary status.

    "What a guy, what an inspirational figure. So we have an opportunity now to inspire the next generation.

    "I’ve got a 22-year-old son, a 15-year-old son who’ve never seen Ireland play in a World Cup.

    "So Saturday, we go into it looking to achieve that, looking to inspire a nation. That’s the ambition, that’s the objective."
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    Some more commentary from 88 on RTE. These are big comments from the management team. I suppose it probably falls into the bracket of collective psychology and getting the positivity flowing.
    Irish media is a bit dramatic. Wembley was low, but to call it a humiliation...I dunno, it seems harsh to some degree. We were utterly, utterly comfortable until a moment of poor decision-making turned the game.

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    The energy is coming, leaders are emerging; Heimir Hallgrimsson believes that the players have responded well to the clear and coherent instruction coming from the coaching staff, and the manager has also maintained that level of consistency when it comes to speaking about the World Cup qualifying campaign.

    Confidence of qualification has been the manager's clear message since the opening days of his tenure, and based on what has been witnessed this week, the belief appears to be building throughout both players and coaching staff, with Paddy McCarthy declaring that Ireland are on the cusp of something special.

    The road to the 2026 World Cup finally gets going in a six-game campaign, which the manager referred to as a sprint, with the entirety lasting just 70 days from Saturday until 16 November in Budapest for the return match with tomorrow’s opponents.

    The final fixture could well prove decisive, however, this opener against Hungary is likely to set the tone for Hallgrimsson’s Ireland side and the manager is under no illusions regarding its importance.

    "The energy is coming," said Hallgrimsson, speaking at the pre-match press conference. "I think more and more leaders are emerging, and I think that has been down to consistent messages to the players.

    "Once you know what is expected, you become a better leader, so I think that is why people are feeling more secure. I feel there are more and more players now who are kind of growing, and that brings energy, leadership and confidence."

    It is less than 12 months since Ireland were humiliated at Wembley Stadium, and while they have since recorded impressive performances with back-to-back wins against Bulgaria, it was no surprise that the manager was asked as to what this belief is based on.

    "First of all it’s the team, I think we have a strong team, we are all in sync, we have all been tactically improving in every camp, in my opinion," he said.

    "This is a young squad that, in the past, didn’t have many wins, so confidence was low. But I think they feel it themselves, they are getting stronger with every game we play, with every camp, and I feel the same.

    "The quality in this team is big, it’s bigger than when I had Iceland, and we achieved what we did. There is more individual quality in this team. The team building thing is what gives me confidence."

    And when asked where he saw the real development in the squad throughout his tenure over the last 12 months, the manager took his time, eventually answering after a pause, which certainly added to the drama of an opening World Cup campaign.

    "Good question!" said Hallgrimsson. "I think it's been there all the time, but to see it kind of emerge and see it with my own eyes, that these players probably had low self-confidence from losing in the past, young players, and just seeing them growing.

    "It looks like they are taller today than when I came a year ago, so that is what has been for me most impressive and that's why I say I feel the energy more now than I did in the beginning.

    "A new coach, they probably didn't know what to expect but I have felt it slowly growing, this unity in the team now."

    As for the campaign, Hallgrimsson is happy that the conversation is based on the race for second place with Hungary, rather than competing with Portugal for top spot and an automatic qualification berth.

    Hallgrimsson, no doubt, can still visualise a path to that coveted top spot, however, he is pragmatic enough to lower expectations, knowing that beating Hungary on Saturday night is paramount to sending a statement and avoiding a slow start, which has hampered many a campaign in recent years.

    "Yes, it’s natural, that’s the seeding in the group," he said, regarding targeting second spot.

    "Portugal comes first, everybody expects Portugal to be first, and then it’s a small gap between ourselves and Hungary on the FIFA ranking, but still they are ranked higher than us, so everybody would expect that it will be between us.

    "I think there are going to be dropped points in more places than just us and Hungary. But not kidding, this game is hugely important for the rest of the campaign, given the nature of the campaign, only six games in 70 days.

    "It’s going to be a sprint and it’s always nice when you are in a sprint to have the lead and not be chasing."

    And looking ahead to the game, Hallgrimsson can pick from a fully fit squad, with Liam Scales coming through a full training session on Thursday having arrived in camp a slight concern following the weekend’s Old Firm clash.

    "No [injuries], pretty happy with the squad," said Hallgrimsson. "They’ve all been training, Scalesy was the only one that came in with a slight injury, but he trained fully yesterday and he’s going to train fully today, so a fit and ready squad.

    "Everyone likes to play, but unfortunately we can only start with 11 players."

    Confidence might be high in the Ireland camp, however, the manager is being very careful not to underestimate the opponents, and giving them complete respect ahead of the game, knowing the tough task that awaits.

    "First, they have individual quality at a high standard," he said. "We know all about dead balls so don't give them free kicks in dangerous places.

    "I think their strength is more collective; it's a team that has been playing together for a long time, a good age on this squad, at the top of their careers and they have had the same coach for lots of years.

    "There is consistency in what they are trying to do and they are good at it - quick combinations, play, movement etc, there is a lot of understanding between individuals in this team. That is always good when you have a national team."

    Only 11 can play, says the manager, however, he made sure to issue a rallying cry to the 50-odd thousand that will descend on Lansdowne Road on Saturday evening, wanting to make sure that the energy in the stands matches what’s happening in this ever-emerging squad.

    "We can’t ask more people to come, because it’s a sell-out," said the manager. "But for those who come, definitely the same message that we have said before; come to create the atmosphere, come to become the 12th man, to make the atmosphere, don’t come just to enjoy it, make it happen with us, and together we can do amazing things."
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    The route to actually qualify for the finals is so difficult from our starting position that it's a near impossibility. We have to outperform one team that's higher ranked than us just to make the playoffs, and would then likely need to beat two more higher ranked teams - at least one away from home - to qualify for the finals.

    All the fighting talk is great and everything, but realistically just making the playoffs at all from our position would be a sign of significant progress ahead of what is our real goal, getting to our home tournament at Euro 2028 and performing reasonably well if we do get there.

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    Worth noting Germany lost in Slovakia last night - they'll probably still top the group (along with Luxembourg and the North) but there's a definite chance of both Germany and Italy in the playoffs.

    Hungary are on the down a bit while Greece were on the up when we played them, so I'd hope to be more competitive than against them. But with that midfield and with Parrott out*, I think I'd take a draw now, even though it's not much good to us.

    To lose and be effectively out of the running after one game yet again would be an utter pain in the hoop. There's only so many times you can say you're planning for the next campaign

    * You could say that without Parrott tomorrow, our World Cup qualifying hopes are no more. They have ceased to be. Bereft of life they rest in peace. (And you get the idea)

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    The play-off route won't be any easier than the group route anyway (if Italy & Germany happen to be in the play-off route)(if that wasn't clear from my original post).
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    For me, if we can go toe to toe with Hungary over the two games, that will give me hope for the 2028 qualifiers, provided that HH then stays around and we don't get lumped with O'Shea.

    I'd say Hungary are roughly where we would realistically aspire to be - around the top 20 in Europe, unlikely to be good enough to make a World Cup, but consistent qualifiers for the Euros.

    They're probably roughly on a par with Wales and Scotland, who are the teams we will be competing against for the host spots at Euro 2028. We've shown that we've moved ahead of the likes of Finland and Bulgaria, which is progress from the Kenny years in itself, and this is the next step.

    Beating them to second place in this group would represent major progress, even pushing them close and coming up just short would be progress relative to the last five years.

    I think people forget how far we have fallen. Our seeding was destroyed by a man (and his merry band of followers) pushing an agenda to play football a certain way at the expense of actually winning games and maintaining our position in European football. It will take years to rebuild our seeding back to where it was.

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    Worth noting Germany lost in Slovakia last night - they'll probably still top the group (along with Luxembourg and the North) but there's a definite chance of both Germany and Italy in the playoffs.

    Hungary are on the down a bit while Greece were on the up when we played them, so I'd hope to be more competitive than against them. But with that midfield and with Parrott out*, I think I'd take a draw now, even though it's not much good to us.

    To lose and be effectively out of the running after one game yet again would be an utter pain in the hoop. There's only so many times you can say you're planning for the next campaign

    * You could say that without Parrott tomorrow, our World Cup qualifying hopes are no more. They have ceased to be. Bereft of life they rest in peace. (And you get the idea)
    Im quite optimistic for an Irish win tomorrow. Smozdics will replace Parrot and not much will be lost in the big scheme of things. We have a distinct advantage for set pieces. If we use it to its fullest I am confident of an Irish victory

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eirambler View Post
    For me, if we can go toe to toe with Hungary over the two games, that will give me hope for the 2028 qualifiers, provided that HH then stays around and we don't get lumped with O'Shea.

    I'd say Hungary are roughly where we would realistically aspire to be - around the top 20 in Europe, unlikely to be good enough to make a World Cup, but consistent qualifiers for the Euros.

    They're probably roughly on a par with Wales and Scotland, who are the teams we will be competing against for the host spots at Euro 2028. We've shown that we've moved ahead of the likes of Finland and Bulgaria, which is progress from the Kenny years in itself, and this is the next step.

    Beating them to second place in this group would represent major progress, even pushing them close and coming up just short would be progress relative to the last five years.

    I think people forget how far we have fallen. Our seeding was destroyed by a man (and his merry band of followers) pushing an agenda to play football a certain way at the expense of actually winning games and maintaining our position in European football. It will take years to rebuild our seeding back to where it was.
    Without derailing another match thread with the pro-anti-Kenny contributions, do you afford Kenny any slack whatsoever? In the context of picking and continuing to pick the players who are both mainstays and seasoned internationals now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom View Post
    Without derailing another match thread with the pro-anti-Kenny contributions, do you afford Kenny any slack whatsoever? In the context of picking and continuing to pick the players who are both mainstays and seasoned internationals now.
    Ah Stop Kingdom, Stephen was utterly hopeless. HH is trying to build a team and at the same time repair their confidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom View Post
    Without derailing another match thread with the pro-anti-Kenny contributions, do you afford Kenny any slack whatsoever? In the context of picking and continuing to pick the players who are both mainstays and seasoned internationals now.
    I don't personally cut him too much slack on this front - I don't really buy the argument that he 'brought through players'. The only thing you could say is maybe he capped them earlier than others would. Taking a random predicted lineup for tomorrow:

    Kelleher
    O'Brien Collins O'Shea Doherty
    Cullen Knight
    McAteer Azaz Manning
    Ferguson

    With the exceptions of McAteer and Knight, all of these players would have become regulars I think. Cullen and Doherty were already involved, SK didn't like Manning, Kelleher/Ferguson/Azaz/Collins/J O'Brien would have all been in squads regardless of the manager given their qualities and clubs the play for.

    From the wider group, Idah, Molumby and Parrott are what I might consider players who mightn't have had the impact without being brought into the team early. He also cast aside Brady which in hindsight was a clear mistake. Got rid of Duffy too soon, then brought him back too late. Froze McClean out. This is all aside from the results of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kingdom View Post
    Without derailing another match thread with the pro-anti-Kenny contributions, do you afford Kenny any slack whatsoever? In the context of picking and continuing to pick the players who are both mainstays and seasoned internationals now.
    I think the words of McCarthy and HH in the articles you posted (thank you kindly) speak to the groundwork that Kenny laid in terms of the youth that he brought into the fold when, lets be honest, he had little else to work with or where he had a choice between Average 28 Year Old and Promising 19 Year Old he chose youth. Its an admirable gamble however it didn't pay off for him in terms of success on the pitch. Whether you like it or not, it is standing us in good stead now and that is rightfully being recognized. Kenny was right insofar as pointing out the number of young players that got multiple caps under his leadership (he just banged on about it so much it rightly became a stick to beat him with).
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