It could be done but wouldnt be cheap especially with the Camac running along the site. DCC might have been better off considering previous plans by St Pats than potentially providing an additional development never mind Dalymount + 2 now. I presume that previously mooted plan by St Pats is done with housing development started? The more the merrier as it could put pressure on other local authorities/Dept of Sport not to neglect potential regional projects!
There is still no building started in St. Michaels estate but its safe to assume the Richmond Arena dream is dead and buried. If we can work something out to stay in Richmond with an improved stadium then it would be the best alternative.Originally Posted by Nesta99
A narrow two tier main stand is the only thing that springs to mind when suggesting 8,000 seats could fit into the space there.
Yeah unlikely but ye never know, if the budgets need work to try and sort out potentially 3 clubs with 3 developments it could be revisited. It was more or less self financing wasnt it? so could appeal now rather than seen as too ambitious. It was a shame it didnt get more traction as it was an interesting concept and a first for these isles, yet not so outside the box that there isnt good examples of how it worked elsewhere. Housing, retail, services and new ground or high density social housing without meaningful thought for amenities and future development of that new community - not as if such mistakes was ever made before in this country....
I just cant see the Camac side being developed much without bridging or boxing the river, maybe a corporate facilities at a rooftop level, clubrooms type building and limited seating in front. More likely to get a 2 tier structure on the 3 other sides than the camac i think. Over double the size I know but a trip to Loftus Rd and ye'd be wondering whether trying to squeeze the absolute maximum out of a cramped site is worth it, but then you have the Brentford example mentioned in the thread above which shows what can be done.
Can't see how you could get very much down the shed end , let alone a 2 tier structure. Be very interesting to see what they come up with.
They will be up for architect of the year if they can fit 8k into the space with a few extra facilities added in. It will be interesting to see the design in the summer.
It'd be some piece of work indeed especially affordably. Richmond Park is probably one of the few grounds that a land swap is probably the real option. It would also make sense to reduce to a realistic capacity and then ground share for later European rounds if the need arises. Room for development of attendances in a modern facility is the priority rather than over reaching for 8k figure which is only one of the criteria for hosting European group games, never mind tv, hospitality and almost as expensive as the stadium to do, carparking. A lovely 8k ground could be built and yet still have a club scrambling for exemptions or alternative venues.
As a minor aside, it's only a matter of time until the car parking requirement for UEFA fixtures gets scrapped or significantly downplayed. There must be some allowance built into the system already, as a lot of the large big city stadia offer very little parking for anyone beyond match officials, teams, Directors and broadcast crew. The print media going to Arsenal or Spurs, for example, aren't all expecting to drive and park there.
Good point! The shift toward public transport in general should mean it is removed as a requirement. Would certainly suit us in Oriel beside the railway station and 10 minute walk from intercity busses also, but would significantly struggle to have a car park in the immediate proximity to the ground. We dont all benefit from regular public transport services but if focus on travel by car is to be reduced it'd probably similar requirements for all clubs regardless.
Neil O'Riordan making unflattering comparisons of the LoI with England's fifth tier:
https://www.thesun.ie/sport/football...ds-fifth-tier/
Interesting piece. I'm actually amazed that attendances here in the Premier Div are actually higher that the Scottish Championship. (It would also be great if we could break the 3,000 barrier for average attendances).
That will presumably happen next season once UCD are replaced by Cork, Galway or Waterford.
We'd probably be above 3,000 already if the likes of Derry, Pats and Bohs didn't have stadia that were too small for certain games (are all games, in the case of Derry).
I'm not sure what O'Riordan's point is with that article tbh. If it's 'Club football is much less popular in Ireland than in England', then that's hardly breaking news. If it's that LOI crowds are low by any fair measure, then again - that's not news to anyone. It's also unfair to talk about clubs like Stockport County in non-league terms, as they're Football League clubs by every metric off the pitch (and in Stockport's case, now on it too). Same with Grimsby, Notts County, Halifax, Torquay, Yeovil, Southend etc.
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Neil O'Riordan is a Bohs fan, right? I think its pretty common of a feeling that when your team is doing bad, it bleds into the feeling that the League is doing bad.
Personally, I think it is absoultly pointless to compare our League to English football. It is the best league system in the world by a country mile, with well supported teams from the very top to the 5th tier. It is an unrealistic comparison really. Yeah, Irish football is not as well suported as English football, but even countries like Spain, Germany and France don't have their depth after the second and third tier. Germany only has 3 national tiers before it is split into regional leagues (56 teams), while England has 5 tiers (116 teams). Some of those German teams in their 3rd liga are very small (Victoria Berlin has the same size of crowd as Longford).
No other football league system stacks up to it. And, you get very little from comparing the two. If you want to be more realistic about where the league is, how normal/ abnormal are the issues are, and what is it potential, it best to compare it to other countries leagues outside of the exceptional English system.
O Riordan is bohs through and through.
If Rovers are winning the league it must be a crap league.
England has heading for 10-12 times the population of Ireland and Football is their National Sport.
Football comes a poor 3rd at best here behind GAA football , hurling and maybe Rugger.
Page fill required for the rag he writes for so bobs your uncle
In fairnes,, you can't really take a third of the Conference and say they're not really non-league.
They really are. (Except Stockport obviously)
They're non-league on the pitch.
But off the pitch - in terms of stadia, attendances, history, revenues etc etc - they're essentially Football League clubs. Notts County's stadium - Meadow Lane - has a capacity of almost 20,000 and is not what anyone would sensibly describe as a non-league stadium. They'll be back in the Football League again in the next few years, with exactly everything off the pitch the same as it is now.
A bit like how UCD aren't really a Premier Division club off the pitch, and in a few months time won't be one on the pitch either
I think what you're ignoring though is that non-League in England is improving, and what was league standard maybe a dozen years ago is now creeping down to non-league.
So yes, these clubs - and you can add York, Oldham and Scunthorpe next season - are non-league. That is what non-League in England is like these days. And it kind of shows up how little work has been done on grounds here when you see places like York's ground and realise that not just is it a non-league ground, but they've spent the last couple of years in the Conference North.
Relevant to this I notice today that Higgins has turned down an approach from Notts County in relation to their currently available manager role.They're non-league on the pitch.
But off the pitch - in terms of stadia, attendances, history, revenues etc etc - they're essentially Football League clubs. Notts County's stadium - Meadow Lane - has a capacity of almost 20,000 and is not what anyone would sensibly describe as a non-league stadium. They'll be back in the Football League again in the next few years, with exactly everything off the pitch the same as it is now.
A bit like how UCD aren't really a Premier Division club off the pitch, and in a few months time won't be one on the pitch either
https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-41709127.html
He's only interested in moving to non-league clubs
I was at an away game in 19 at meadow lane. It’s unreal ground for a non league club. The club clearly has a lot of potential but if I was Higgins I wouldn’t get involved. An experienced manager at that level is the man for Notts County. The national league is an dog fight and a nightmare to get out of.
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