Was it not Rovers who pulled out the first time. I thought that this time they were allowed in for a year and if a suitable replacement came into the league they were out. Hard on the people who put so much work into their team. This just reflects where the league and FAI are at. It needs a whole new review and what comes out of it has to be properly promoted and resourced. There has to be strict criteria for licences and it should not run until a couple of weeks before the season starts.
Thats a very good point and would be interesting to hear detail how it works!Originally Posted by EatYerGreens
I think the fact that we have clubs who do not have a youth set up at all but merely nominate a local junior club to do it for them kind of shows the underage set up to be a mix of standards across the division that is not properly implemented at all.
I hope they dont but Rovers if they start to lose their best Academy prospects because of this (to other clubs offering first division football or less strong Premier clubs where they might have more chance of more first team games) might question the worth of doing things properly as they are at the moment, just nominate Cherry orchard to be the youth wing and concentrate on the First team.
Very regressive move by the FAI , they allowed all clubs to apply for entry and the fact that Rovers were the only one that did has led to them accepting the lowest common denominator.
Anyway it is what it is now, maybe in these covid strapped times missing out this year and perhaps the FAI copping on by next year might not be a such bad thing timing wise.
Used to be the standard deployment for all Leinster senior teams, until the B Division was invented in 1964. Can't see it returning with U19. U17, U15 all playing regularly (in a normal season). The various Cork and Limerick clubs' second teams played in the MSL - with Waterford, who sometimes played in both - and as far as I know still do.
I thought Rovers B were still in the LSL?
UCD B are - although the catch is that for transfer purposes, they count as two different clubs, so you can't move between them as easily as with a B team in the LoI. Because Irish football is bizarre like that.
There's no Rovers team in the LSL.
Cabinteely have a team playing at a modest level (just been relegated from the sixth tier) but I doubt they have anything to do with the LOI set-up and like UCD, they're treated as separate clubs for purposes of transfers etc.
There was also a Shelbourne Academy team playing in the LSL's under 19 division
It's a fair point, but not the same as two clubs claiming the same youth set up feeds into them.
So in your analogy it would be more like Rovers and Cabinteely both claiming that Cherry Orchard is their youth set up.
In fairness there is another side to the coin on that argument. Not having a pop its just there is usually more going on.
The old regime didnt listen to the FD clubs last year, when most clubs didnt want Shamrock B in the division. Maybe the new regime are actually listening to clubs this time, so that could be considered progress.
Interesting that you say 'progressive club is made suffer'. At the end of the day if there are limited spaces in FD then a new club entering the league will always be more the more progressive option than putting a 'B' team into the division. Any new club omitted instead of a any B team would not be progressive.
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My point is that which is more honest having a Rovers B team which everyone knows is the Academy for the Senior team or having clubs with no set up at all who just call a junior club their academy as currently is allowed to happen.
If it was just a case of 1 youth set up feeding into two teams that needed solving then SRFC ii could nominate Cherry orchard...
The FAI just appointed a guy to oversee a raising of the standards in the Academies within the league....great start, beginning to think FAI Nua is just same old same old
We're going to have B teams making up numbers every few years, as long as we don't have a proper junior to senior pyramid. Which would take a decade of work, money and diplomacy to build. So lest you are an optimist, they'll be around for a while.
Having Rovers B in the second tier isn't great. They don't bring away fans, it's an odd sell to potential fans and they can never actually win the thing. If Rovers B had made their way from junior football to the top tier, it would be very different. They would have atleast earned their place, and they probably wouldn't last that long.I think it's also worth remembering that the comparison to Barcelona B is a bit mute,cos yanno, one's Barcelona and the other is just Shamrock Rovers, a very different sell to new supporters.
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I think the argument with Rovers B would be that they effectively are a part of the Rovers youth academy. They don't need a separate one, particularly if they're bound by rules of no more than one or two first team or over 21/23 or whatever. While there's no under 21/23 or reserve league, it would seem that the next logical thing is to allow those B teams to enter the league structure if clubs can establish them and they're sustainable. It shouldn't be at the expense of new clubs, but they can complement each other too, it's probably a better prospect for a new senior club to come in and know they'll have very winnable games against largely youth teams, even if that's in a third level of the league of Ireland, "ah God be with the days of the A league", it gives them a prospect of an early promotion too.
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Dublin County have stated that the only reason they didn't get a license was because Sport Ireland screwed them over on Morton. Apparently contacted them at 2:43pm on Friday - with the Licensing Committee die to meet at 4:30pm that day to issues licenses - to say Morton wouldn't be available to them. DC claim they said it was because of pressure from "the Athletic Community".
So it may well have been that the Licensing Committee intended to give out 12 FD licenses on Friday ? But once Dublin County were homeless that killed their application off - and Rovers B with it, to keep the numbers even ?
All on their Twitter here.
Just highlights once again that we badly need a proper pyramid system in Ireland - not a pick and choose one, not a "let's see who applies" one, not anything like that. Get rid of all the daft District Leagues and the idiotic separate seasons for LoI/non-league, and give whatever progressive-minded clubs are out there a clear path to aim for. You know, like in practically literally every other country in Europe. Dublin County should never have been near the FD in the first place.
On their Twitter page, there's a cover photo of a clubs ground. Which club is it?
Subject to correction, it looks like the AUL in Clonshaugh.
Exactly, flies in the face of the Will Clarke appointment as well as the work Rovers are doing. It will change but the dinosaurs in both senior and schoolboy football will have to be moved on. For the long term health of Irish football player development and pathways are more important than the disfunctional 1st Division.
Penalising the one club making positive strides is the weak pulling down the strong rather than getting their own houses in order. For example I'm very reliably informed that the main voice against Rovers II was a PD club with no schoolboy or academy set up of their own. Pathetic.
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The thing this whole charade shows is that we desperately need an under-23 or reserve league brought back in.
A reserve league is badly needed , has been for years.
I don't know how desperate that need is tbh.
If UCD could drop players down to the existing LSL team at periods other than in the transfer window, then we'd have no need of a reserve league. That's how it worked for decades, AFAIK
Most of the First Division has no real need of an U23 league either; most of their first-team squads are probably U23 anyway.
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Did they have players signed up?
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