It was hyperbole, of course.
I'm trying to work out (a) what you think I should say and (b) why you think I shouldn't say what I have been saying.
Because it's FAI-esque in the extreme to suggest to people they can't hold certain views, and not give any reasons at all why
The next man will be the 3rd CEO in as many season, it seems these "experienced" EFL guys come over, talk a lot nice words on how they will endeavour to improve the club for everyone, realize the absolute circus that the league and FAI are and run a mile. I don't know who the right man for the job is but the next guy must have some understanding of the league before coming on board because hitting the reset button every year can't be good for the clubs business operations.Originally Posted by disgruntled
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"Because it's FAI-esque in the extreme to suggest to people they can't hold certain views, and not give any reasons at all why"
This is an extension of the same thing. Misrepresenting an opposing opinion to your own by adding ridiculous statements and presenting that ridiculousness as the counter to your own opinion. It doesn't lend itself to any form of reasonable conversation/debate. It was never suggested (or even hinted at) that you or anybody can't hold certain views.
"and not give any reasons at all why".
My reasoning was literally in the very next line.
"... And things of that ilk. I really haven't heard many say that, and I doubt it represents a significant proportion of people. And I certainly doubt it represents a lot of clubs at board level."
Hold on a sec here bohsmug.
You said -
I've been saying those things, so I'm asking you why you think I shouldn't be saying them. In your above post, you say I shouldn't say these bad things because -If there's one thing I'd plead with those against the Lucid proposal to stop saying it's things like:
"People are saying an AIL is a magic fix that cures all ills"
"People need to stop thinking it's a silver bullet"
So let's only have groupthink views which you think might be held by the majority?I doubt it represents a significant proportion of people
Would you ever **** off out of that.
When I saw Mal Brannigan had been appointed ceo back when my first thought was these lads haven't a clue & this is going to end in tears.
Any sort of decent research would have shown Brannigan as a failure every where he's been.
Devlin has only been there since March.
Who ever is the next ceo is very important for Dundalk as this revolving door method of appointments can't continue indefinitely.
They need someone who not only understands the role of ceo but who also has some understanding of how things work in Ireland.
I should add to this that the FAI have said their aim from the current talks is to have the league Top 25 in Europe by 2025. The videos leaked/shared talk about 2/3 year distracts as standard. Is it ten mill the investment being proposed? Even over 5 years, that's serious money for a league that has basically no investment at present. The videos did an excellent job of describing what a successful LoI should look like.
But Lucid seems to view a AIL as fundamental to that. Other posters on here I think view an AIL in a similar light - a success-in-waiting.
That's why I think it's entirely reasonable to argue that the Lucid proposal comes across as a silver bullet, when it really isn't.
And enough people seem to hold this view that it's worth espousing the opposite
Why doesn't Lucid throw his weight behind the current league get a load of money into it and then invite the NIFL clubs to join.
At this point that is his only prospect of delivering anything,
If the league here is successful the clubs up the North will start to agitate to join just like Celtic and Rangers want to join the EPL
Agree. With the AIL seemingly a dead duck, at least for the foreseeable future it would be hoped that he would lend his backing/experience/ work to date, to the LOI. Longer term a strong vibrant LOI would be more attractive to the IL clubs. it is also likely that any political issues will be diluted further as time goes on, thus negating any influence that may have over IL clubs.
Most importantly, it would be a great opportunity to show his methods / structure (even on a scaled down level) could work. If its AIL or nothing one would have to strongly question his whole proposal.
Is that still something the Old Firm is pursuing? I hadn't heard anything about such proposals in years.
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You couldn't be more wrong, but I do prefer to deal in fact rather than fantasy.
Wouldn't take much notice of that idiotic article.
It'll be interesting to see how Linfield-Dundalk passes off tonight and on Monday. I'm looking forward to both legs, hard to know how seriously both clubs and both sets of supporters are taking it though
Pah, you northern wimps should never go to a Bohs V Shams game so.
There is a political dimension to football on this Island, and none more so that Dundalk and Linfield.That is no reason to avoid an AIL any more than Chelsea V West Ham means there sholdn't be an English League. Security precautions are a factor of football in every country, try going to a game in Italy without photo ID or any other example across the world.
It s nothing more than a lame excuse for those looking to avoid change.
Don't recall any crowd tensions outside of the norm in the Setanta.Good well policed friendly away games I was at in Windsor.Oval and Coleraine.
Get that back up and running with Lucids magic money tree.
Recall on the Bohs bus to Windsor Park we were “boarded by the authorities” going into Belfast and got a motorcycle escort. We survived the trauma (police boarding the bus) that’s seems so shocking to that “journalist” and I dare say most could survive it again.
Counter to his argument on western/midlands teams, surely a vibrant AIL with decent investment would make development of clubs more attractive ? The whole article appears to be “I don’t like the idea and I’m going to come up with something to make it look bad”.
Too much being made about security arrangements in that aritcle. Im surprised at the journalist as tbh I thought it was more tripe by a former editor GAA head at first. No more issue that at some of the higher profile LoI games. Windsor will be no hassle at all and well Oriel Park any security issue is to do with the ground - more with the way all fans have to enter the same side of the ground rather than it being an old ground. (On that and off topic I know but a pending planning application submission for development of land on the Ardee Rd so YDC side of the ground could soon resolve the issue of away and home fans all having to take the same route in to the ground).
Some softening of the NI stance on the Lucid proposals? It's looking like the initial version could be two separate leagues with individual national champions (presumably something like 8 or 10 team leagues with 14/18 game season) before a crossover league to determine all island champions (again similar numbers maybe 8 or 10 teams to finish with a 28 or 36 game season). https://www.the42.ie/ifa-cross-borde...85712-Jan2020/
It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the Hypercube study.
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Dont like the idea of a 14 to 18 game league to decide champions (although would have worked well for Rovers last year)
Even with 1 guaranteed euro spot for the merged entity a 28 game season to decide AIL winners sounds like a recipe for a lot of meaningless matches ,
Maybe reverse it 28 game season for current league and an 14 game season to decide AIL.
Surely the season with the most at stake in terms of euro places and history should be the longest one.
I'd be more in favour of an all in scenerio then a hybrid that could end up seeing the (all island bit) being treated like the Setanta cup.
I just can't see any grounds on which the north will agree to an All-island league.
There is small 'p' politics at play here, and a certain mentality. Football in the north is a very unionist entity - just look at the clubs in the top 3 tiers, and the areas they represent. Northern football reflects the general mindset within unionism of being happy in their own wee world and wanting as little as possible to do with the south. It's no accident that the international anthem and flag issue remains stubbornly unresolved.
There are of course lots of coherent and sensible arguments against an AIL at the moment. But even if they were addressed, it would still face the fundamental barrier I've outlined above. So I just can't see this project going anywhere in reality.
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