Still livid over that penalty.Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid
On so many ocassions yesterday Kerry were gift either handyones from bad refereeing or from Cork naivety.
That 45 at the end from Cork was clear example of them not knowing what to do in such a situation.
Dublin will not be worried about this Kerry side. They are poor and one-dimensional.
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Well Kerry are playing proper football at the moment in a competitive environment, ironing out strengths and weaknesses etc while Dublin are playing in the GAA equivalent of the Scottish Premiership.
Edit - there is a 50% chance the loser of the Munster final will play Dublin in the All Ireland QF
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Competitive environment? They play Cork annually after beating one of Tipp, Limerick, Clare or Waterford. That's the height of the competitive environment.
If what Kerry played yesterday was proper football we may as well give up. It was shoddy at best. Rusty may be more apt.
I was absolutely stunned by how easily Cork got on top of MF in the second half. They were brilliant. Kerry have huge problems at FB as well and they ran out of ideas a few times when they tried to go out wide.
When in doubt hoof it long and if Cork, didn't get so caught up about Donaghy and left only one man on him Kerrigan wouldn't have been out in the position he was in to get that Black Card.
The Cork performance overall reminded me how we were in the SF in 2010. Cork were there for the taking on that day and we froze and played into their hands.
Likewise the Leesiders did the same yesterday. The 45 at the end was a case-in-point.
All-in-all Kerry got awayw ith and Cork will rue the missed opportunity.
And sure, it's in Killarney again. Imagine that. Something wrong with Semple or even the Gaelic Grounds?
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They will have played 2 games against top opposition in the championship by Saturday week. 2 more than Dublin was all I was saying. We all know the provincial system is gah. But it is especially difficult for Dublin at present who don't get a decent game until the AI QF at the earliest. What if Dub have to play Kerry in an AIQF - surely the lack of competition in Leineter will seriously hurt them. (They may overcome that anyway - but its not ideal)
And another thing Tipp are better than Longford and Kildare at the moment also . An away game against Tipp was a good test for Kerry. If the Dubs took to the road it might actually help them now.
Cork's midfield duo of O'Connor / Gould is as good as anyone's in fairness. Gould's problem is he can't kick a score but he is a good fielder and a very physical presence, and now that the pressure of getting scores is gone from him then he has improved a bit. O'Connor has come out of retirement to replace Aidan Walsh who has gone hurling. No doubt we needed him back as Walsh left a big hole.
You would really want to get over that now. You are always bringing it up
Our own fault for not having a ground suitable in what is supposed to be a home and away agreement - no point in dragging everyone to Semple or Limerick. Killarney is a shorter drive - especially for the West Cork supporters where football is most popular.
We'll overcome that.
I can't see it happening.
That they may be. But they are so far behind the "Top-4" that it's moot really.And another thing Tipp are better than Longford and Kildare at the moment also . An away game against Tipp was a good test for Kerry. If the Dubs took to the road it might actually help them now.
That they are. When they play. Remember the League final?Cork's midfield duo of O'Connor / Gould is as good as anyone's in fairness.
I just couldn't believe just how easy they had it in the centre of the park. Magnificent.
Aren't you glad he is?Gould's problem is he can't kick a score but he is a good fielder and a very physical presence, and now that the pressure of getting scores is gone from him then he has improved a bit. O'Connor has come out of retirement to replace Aidan Walsh who has gone hurling. No doubt we needed him back as Walsh left a big hole.
I'll never get over it.You would really want to get over that now. You are always bringing it up
But it was a defining moment in the development of this Dublin team.
I hope ye hop off them next day out. I fear the worst. But here's hoping the refereeing is actually up to scratch next time out.
As it may be. But it's an absolute schtones to be going back to Killarney.Our own fault for not having a ground suitable in what is supposed to be a home and away agreement - no point in dragging everyone to Semple or Limerick. Killarney is a shorter drive - especially for the West Cork supporters where football is most popular.
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I don't know if anyone noticed on The Sunday Game, but there was a dispute over one of the four goals Limerick scored against Westmeath in the hurling qualifiers. Paul Brown got a green flag just after the second half started, but the angle shown on The Sunday Game appeared to show the ball had gone wide, with the ref/umpires fooled by loose netting. Cue annoyance from Donal Og and company, and many others. It seemed to be a pretty minor thing - Limerick were winning at the time, went on to win by 12 points and while they didn't play that great I wouldn't say I was ever worried they would lose.
But according to Henry Martin on Twitter, Limerick GAA "allegedly" offered Westmeath the opportunity to replay the game, which Westmeath declined. I'm not sure about that, but one might remember the furore over that minor semi-final and the Hawk-Eye failure. Maybe, "allegedly", Limerick decided to walk the walk (though one wonders if Kilkenny would have been offered one).
But then it turns out, thanks to a new camera angle, that the goal was legitimate after all: http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/g...ct-341359.html
Just one of those interesting little sideshows in GAA season, but shows how it is sometimes too easy - and I fully admit to being guilty of it sometimes - to jump on the officials.
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Dublin weren't worried about Kerry last year either, that turned out well.
Kerry players are not going well. Last year's Sam was a bonus. We have a group of defenders still learning the ropes while the old ones are phased out. I would not be surprised to see Marc Se dropped for Saturday. Paul Murphy coming back will be a bonus.
At this moment in time, it's hard to say whether Kerry are rusty, playing at a level they are at, or below the level they are at. One thing is sure, they are not playing above themselves.
Brendan Kealy is a disaster in goals, he's an accident waiting to happen, and has always been. He never emits a strong presence, because he isn't one. Kelly is by far the better goalkeeper. Peter Crowley needs to impose himself more, as he did from the Munster final on last season. I think Fitz will have realised that the link between CB, Midfield and HF just did not work. There isn't enough pace between Crowley, Sheehan, Moran, Walsh and Buckley. I'd have Walsh in the side every day of the week, but so too would I have Anthony Maher. He's as good a midfielder around as there is, and is very much the sitter, even though he has plenty of scores in his locker.
I'd like to see something a little different. Whether it's Gooch playing out and roving, or having a bit of pace in the side I don't know. I think I'd like to see Paul Geaney inside with Donaghy, Gooch and James a little further out, and Walsh and possibly Sheehan doing the donkey work. I'd drop Buckley and have Moran and Maher fielding.
One thing that I know has come up a bit, is why Galvin and Walsh aren't seeing game time, then why are they in the squad.
Bonnie, your hatred of Kerry is as great as my disgust at the Dubs.
Ulster can produce handy draws too. Antrim Cavan and generally Fermanagh have been handy numbers and have been on the same side of the draw as the Ulster champions numerous times in the past decade. Even Derry have been poor. The flipside obviously is that Monaghan Tyrone Armagh and Donegal can all face each other too.
In Munster we could conceivably face Limerick away, Tipp away and then Cork to win. That's no cake walk, and it would be tougher than many of the matches Dublin would face. Similar in Connacht, in 12 Mayo beat Leitrim and Sligo; two years previous Roscommon beat Sligo and Leitrim.
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Well, but for a Connolly miscue we might have been in the AIF. It happens. Better team won that day out. Now as for the other semi...
I would have called it rusty until I saw just how utterly without a plan they were against Cork. But for a potshot at the end...Kerry players are not going well. Last year's Sam was a bonus. We have a group of defenders still learning the ropes while the old ones are phased out. I would not be surprised to see Marc Se dropped for Saturday. Paul Murphy coming back will be a bonus.
At this moment in time, it's hard to say whether Kerry are rusty, playing at a level they are at, or below the level they are at. One thing is sure, they are not playing above themselves.
Games turn on tiny margins and I had expected that the typical Cork bubble would have been burst when Donaghy got on the end of that goal.
That Cork stayed above water was something. When the "penalty" happened I again thought that that would break Cork. It didn't.
Kerry usually rally when they get breaks like that. It was odd.
He was and has been a complete mess. Some of the goals that are scored against him are just bizarre. Always commits early to the most strange of attacks. How he hasn't been chucked at this stage I don't know.Brendan Kealy is a disaster in goals, he's an accident waiting to happen, and has always been. He never emits a strong presence, because he isn't one.
I have never liked Sheehan. I think it's his moany looking face, but to be honest he was one of the shining lights the last day.Kelly is by far the better goalkeeper. Peter Crowley needs to impose himself more, as he did from the Munster final on last season. I think Fitz will have realised that the link between CB, Midfield and HF just did not work. There isn't enough pace between Crowley, Sheehan, Moran, Walsh and Buckley. I'd have Walsh in the side every day of the week, but so too would I have Anthony Maher. He's as good a midfielder around as there is, and is very much the sitter, even though he has plenty of scores in his locker.
I don't think Gooch can play that anymore. He was anonymous for most of the period he was on.I'd like to see something a little different. Whether it's Gooch playing out and roving, or having a bit of pace in the side I don't know. I think I'd like to see Paul Geaney inside with Donaghy, Gooch and James a little further out, and Walsh and possibly Sheehan doing the donkey work. I'd drop Buckley and have Moran and Maher fielding.
We'll put it fdown to lack of match fitness.
Because it was always a case that players presence alone can buck up a team? That's the Kerry way.One thing that I know has come up a bit, is why Galvin and Walsh aren't seeing game time, then why are they in the squad.
Didn't Cooper tog out last September despite having almost no chance of playing. If it is the case that someof that squad need the likes of Galvin or Walsh to raise their games then you'd have to worry.
My hatred of Kerry outweighs any rational thought and my love for my own county. This has been a tough post to remian calm in.Bonnie, your hatred of Kerry is as great as my disgust at the Dubs.
Ulster can indeed produce handy draws. But the intensity and local rivalry seems to be more highly tuned in almost every game. Plus you can get preliminary rounds that have the Ulster Champions in it. There's simply no comparing Ulster with the other 3 imho.Ulster can produce handy draws too. Antrim Cavan and generally Fermanagh have been handy numbers and have been on the same side of the draw as the Ulster champions numerous times in the past decade. Even Derry have been poor. The flipside obviously is that Monaghan Tyrone Armagh and Donegal can all face each other too.
It's not conceivable. Cork and Kerry can't meet until the final and both only play 1 game to get there as they have byes into the SF.In Munster we could conceivably face Limerick away, Tipp away and then Cork to win. That's no cake walk, and it would be tougher than many of the matches Dublin would face. Similar in Connacht, in 12 Mayo beat Leitrim and Sligo; two years previous Roscommon beat Sligo and Leitrim.
I despise the provincials as a way to get into the All-Ireland Series. But alas.
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Anyway... Cork, Mayo, Donegal in the other 3 provs.
And of the other confirmed fixtures: Derry, "Kerry", Tyrone, Fermanagh
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Antrim, Cavan or Fermanagh would easily dispatch of either Limerick or Tipp in my opinion. There's no really weak side in Ulster and anyone can beat anyone up there.
I wouldn't agree on the Tipp comment.
They would certainly hold their own against Cavan or Down and on a good day would have the beating of them. In fact with Down, chances are you wouldn't need a good day.
Antrim wouldn't have a hope tbh.
Fermanagh's cause is being helped by having an absolute belter of a manager in charge. And would take them.
I am raging that Tipp got Tyrone as I would have likened to have seen Tipp in a QF.
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Did Cork realise that there was a lot more on the line than a Munster title? Kerry on the nice side of the draw.
Still nothing I saw over the weekend would unduly worry me from a Dublin pov. A Munster winning Cork side perhaps but they'll be delated now. Kerry's back line are a shambles and as you said Kingdom, Kealy again showing how he's a lucky man to still be a keeper in that team.
Deegan was also terrible. Consistently inconsistent. Sheehan should have been off for a black card after about 15min. But let it slide for no apparent reason. And there were loads of decisions not made on both sides. Awful performance. The Shehan one sticks out mostly because of the influence he had on the game.
Without Sheehan, Kerry's goose would have been cooked. Donaghy was well-marshalled and but for a black card the last day out, we would have seen more of the same.
Did anyone else see Gooch throwing a punch? I thought he was mostly ineffectual when he came on and as for JOD... still don't get it.
Kerry good for the win on balance but they really need to step it up. Conor McManus and Dessie Mone would lap that up all day.
Alan O'connor is a beast. Imagine if we had him on the Dublin panel. Le sigh.
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Monaghan just about scraped over the line. Donegal's ineffectual shooting at the start of teh second half probably cost them the game but I think Monaghan could have stepped it up a notch.
There's a steel in this Monghan team that's been missing over the years. They'll put it up to anyone.
Donegal looked knackered. There's a malaise in the team that seems to have gotten worse since the Tyrone game.
Frank McGlynn though was immense. There's a silver lining there for them. All is not lost and they'll have the beating of Galway next day out.
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What can we say about Connacht? As afacile as facile victories go but to conced 2-11 to that Sligo side is awful.
Some good overall performances but hard to really know.
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So is it Dublin/Kildare/Cork vs Mayo/Donegal/Another & Kerry/Wstmth/Fermanagh vs Monaghan/Sligo/Another? I'll take that.
I don't think that was part of it at all. The goal aside they didn't really trouble Kerry too much. They didn't get the ball enough to Colm O'Neill who was so far ahead of Marc Sé, as he was last week, it wasn't funny. Kerrigan too, an exceptional player, yet Cork misused him badly.
I think we all could say that about every team left in the Championship. Dublin and probably Mayo are that bit ahead of everyone else at this stage, yet no-one really can tell what will happen with Dublin when the pressure is on, because we haven't seen it so far. I think Cork will shade Kildare this weekend, although I think Jason Ryan with Wexford was tactically very good, and will have a plan for Cork. Still though, they should have too much.Still nothing I saw over the weekend would unduly worry me from a Dublin pov. A Munster winning Cork side perhaps but they'll be delated now
I think that is extremely unfair. Kerry's backline is rotational for the past 18 months to 2 years. There are 2/3 mainstays and then the remainder are picked based on the opposition.Kerry's back line are a shambles and as you said Kingdom, Kealy again showing how he's a lucky man to still be a keeper in that team.
Personally speaking I think Paul Murphy is one of the best defenders in the country, and he showed it on Saturday. He was exceptional. Aidan O'Mahony is also an extremely good defender, and normally an exceptional distributor of the ball, so it was ironic that a very sloppy pass from him led directly to the Cork goal. Shane Enright came of age on Saturday too. He's been so-so since coming onto the scene, a good game followed by a horror show, but he man-marked Brian Hurley (who has been a nememsis of Kerry underage) completely out of the game. He has set himself a standard that he needs to keep reaching.
Kealy though.....grrrrrrrraghagshd is probably the best way I have of describing what I feel towards him. He's going to cost us a high-profile game sooner or later. I still don't know if Brian Kelly is injured or dropped, but after his year last year I find it hard to believe he's dropped!
I think your bias again' us is blinding you. Deegan was utter gash. But he was gash for both sides, and I thought the Kerry forwards got a far rougher ride from him, than the Cork backs did.Deegan was also terrible. Consistently inconsistent. Sheehan should have been off for a black card after about 15min. But let it slide for no apparent reason. And there were loads of decisions not made on both sides. Awful performance. The Shehan one sticks out mostly because of the influence he had on the game.
Also it must be said, and this isn't directed at you, the commentating on the replay was astoundingly bad. Horrific, especially from Martin Carney who usually is very accurate. There were a number of incidents that they called wrong. The worst was the Donaghy free late in the second half that was awarded on the 21yd line, but the play didn't stop till the ball was at the touchline. The free was given because Donaghy was being held from running, yet Bill and Ben thought it was for a tackle on the touchline. This was replicated throughout the game, and it does cloud things insufferably when that happens.
The Sheehan incident you refer to was the right call (assuming it was the "head"-high challenge) as the Cork guy was so much smaller than Sheehan and was dipping down anyway as the tackle was being made. But it was a close call. Alan O'Connor should have seen the line before half-time, that cannot be denied I feel.
It wouldn't. It really wouldn't. Sheehan's influence was off the ground. Anthony Maher was the player who lorded midfield, as the work he gets done is incredible. He isn't as explosive as MDMA, and I think that's one of the reasons he is so underrated. He is Seamus Scanlon (another gem that wasn't appreciated) but with better foot-passing.Without Sheehan, Kerry's goose would have been cooked. Donaghy was well-marshalled and but for a black card the last day out, we would have seen more of the same.
Donaghy is going to be a problem. The ball going in to him was poor, and you could make allowances for the conditions, but I think that just masks things. Paul Geaney is the go-to-man in the Kerry full-forward line, and I reckon we're going to see Tommy Walsh in Croke Park, in the stead of Donaghy.
Yep, but I also saw him get stamped on, so c'est la vie. And I'd say that for any other footballer. Gooch looks like a guy who doesn't fully trust his knees. I wonder will it be the end of him..... I'm surprised you didn't mention Donaghy grabbing one of the O'Driscolls by the throat repeatedly for the guts of a minute front and centre on camera.Did anyone else see Gooch throwing a punch?
James O'D was nowhere near MOTM on Sat, but his movement, and distribution particularily in the second half were very good. He frees up the space that Walsh and Geaney can exploit.
I can tell you now what's going to happen. Kerry are going to put Shane Enright on Conor McManus.Kerry good for the win on balance but they really need to step it up. Conor McManus and Dessie Mone would lap that up all day.
Alan O'Connor was beyond crap on Saturday, and his number was up from about the 20 minute mark. He tried to crucify O'Mahony in the face with a shoulder, O'Mahony swerved and O'Connor ended up on his keester. From that moment on he was a busted flush bar a spurt before half-time. And as I said earlier he should have seen the line for a second yellow.Alan O'connor is a beast. Imagine if we had him on the Dublin panel. Le sigh.
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Monaghan just about scraped over the line. Donegal's ineffectual shooting at the start of teh second half probably cost them the game but I think Monaghan could have stepped it up a notch.
I think that is inaccurate. Monaghan gave Kerry some really tough games in Croker in 08/09 and that was a tough team. Unless you mean resolve? And again I think they'll be concerned by how much they flagged towards the end of the match yesterday. You could make the argument that Donegal lost, as much as monaghan won. I wouldn't be overly concerned facing up to Monaghan, because I think we've enough steel ourselves to deal with the physical battle, and enough game-changers and good shooters from midfield up to deal with a defensive outfit.There's a steel in this Monghan team that's been missing over the years. They'll put it up to anyone.
Never write those whoers off.Donegal looked knackered. There's a malaise in the team that seems to have gotten worse since the Tyrone game.
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Kerry's team the next day will look something like this:
--------------Kealy (sigh)---------------
An Other --- An Other --- Shane Enright
An Other --- Aidan O'M --- Paul Murphy
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Paul Galvin --- Bryan Sheehan/Gooch --- Donn. Walsh---
Paul Geaney -- Tommy Walsh/Donaghy --- James OD.-----
These are Kerry's available defenders (more or less)
Paul Murphy, Aidan O'Mahony, Shane Enright, Killian Young, Peter Crowley, Fionn Fitzgerald, Marc Sé, Pa Kilkenny, Johnny Lyne, Mark Griffin
The consensus is that fionn fitz is too lightweight for the bigger men, Marc Sé is getting too far down the road, and that Griffin isn't up to scratch. I'd go along with mostly.
It worries me that Crowley is off form, as he's a big bastid, and will be crucial in Kerry turning over Dublin, Donegal or Mayo. He'd be ideal to mark Aidan O'Se if they meet.
Murphy has turned into an exceptional defender, and Enright is going that way. O'Mahony could be crucial in the middle, as it is still a weak area. Johnny Lyne is becoming an important player in terms of defenders being able to break up the pitch, but still needs time to develop. Kilkenny hasn't had much of a chance as of yet but was very reliable last year when needed. I think there are enough big men, strong men, skillful defenders and good man-markers in that list. So we'll see.
As things stand I'd be content with where Kerry are, as long as the rise of standards that has always come with going to Croke Park materialises.
I'll be interested to see where do Galvin, Tommy Walsh, and Jack Sherwood fit into the masterplan. Sherwood has been coming for a while, and is well thought of down home. Even though there's an all-ireland on the line, I'd still consider last year a bonus and this year the transition year, with next year the year everything falls into place.
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Cork to beat Dublin.
I was surprised James O'Donoghue managed to stay upright while they presented him with MOTM.
Indeed. Paul Murphy, Shane Enright or Aidan O'Mahony were all very good. Anthony Maher too.
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Next Saturday - Cork and Fermanagh wins i think!
Looking for a "2nd" GAA county to support for the rest of the summer, dual of course. Looking for suggestions.
Their football manager must have some idea what the hell he is doing.
Their hurling manager must have some hope in a line of excellent u-18 and u-21 teams.
Thank God the "soccer" (this thread only) team don't roll over and get their bellies tickled when playing a top team. (Europe aside I meant)
Could also so with a strong drink.
Hop across the border son, we've a multitude of teams you can support. Minor, Junior, Senior, Football Hurling. we're an equal opportunities supporter....
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Joking aside, very surprised to see Kildare slay Cork. Jason Ryan looked like a man on a mission at the end, and while I don't think they'll take us up in Croker, I think this could be a result that pushes Kildare on a notch next season.
Also, Maurice Shanahan is a one player I cannot wait to see Kilkenny hoof lumps into.
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It should have been. Kildare ruined that buzz.
A week out and a re-watching has tempered my bias. You were right about Kerrigan being misused. But I would say it was the complete lack of coherence around him that forced him to take on so much responsibility that he couldn't do his job properly. Compare him to the Kerrigan in the first game.I don't think that was part of it at all. The goal aside they didn't really trouble Kerry too much. They didn't get the ball enough to Colm O'Neill who was so far ahead of Marc Sé, as he was last week, it wasn't funny. Kerrigan too, an exceptional player, yet Cork misused him badly.
I had Cork all week to get over Kildare. But I had a nagging suspicion that Cork would do a Cork and fall flat and roll-over. Did not see the manner of that defeat coming. They made Kildare look like us against Kildare!I think we all could say that about every team left in the Championship. Dublin and probably Mayo are that bit ahead of everyone else at this stage, yet no-one really can tell what will happen with Dublin when the pressure is on, because we haven't seen it so far. I think Cork will shade Kildare this weekend, although I think Jason Ryan with Wexford was tactically very good, and will have a plan for Cork. Still though, they should have too much.
YOu can call it rotational but there's weakness there and a decent forward line on song will punish it. Plus we both agree on your keeper problem.I think that is extremely unfair. Kerry's backline is rotational for the past 18 months to 2 years. There are 2/3 mainstays and then the remainder are picked based on the opposition.
I didn't think Aidan O'M was up to much earlier on in the day to be honest and again if Cork hadn't turned up like they did then he might have ended up in more trouble. Enright ha da great game. Give ya that. :PPersonally speaking I think Paul Murphy is one of the best defenders in the country, and he showed it on Saturday. He was exceptional. Aidan O'Mahony is also an extremely good defender, and normally an exceptional distributor of the ball, so it was ironic that a very sloppy pass from him led directly to the Cork goal. Shane Enright came of age on Saturday too. He's been so-so since coming onto the scene, a good game followed by a horror show, but he man-marked Brian Hurley (who has been a nememsis of Kerry underage) completely out of the game. He has set himself a standard that he needs to keep reaching.
What more can you say.Kealy though.....grrrrrrrraghagshd is probably the best way I have of describing what I feel towards him. He's going to cost us a high-profile game sooner or later. I still don't know if Brian Kelly is injured or dropped, but after his year last year I find it hard to believe he's dropped!
It usually does blind me. But in all honesty ye tend to get the 50/50 decisons most days. But mother of god Deegan was horrific. Should be no where near a Championship game.I think your bias again' us is blinding you. Deegan was utter gash. But he was gash for both sides, and I thought the Kerry forwards got a far rougher ride from him, than the Cork backs did.
Can't say I agree with that. Carney is a spoofer of the highest order. He's no Tommy Carr though. RTÉ commentary is awful. Abslutely awful.Also it must be said, and this isn't directed at you, the commentating on the replay was astoundingly bad. Horrific, especially from Martin Carney who usually is very accurate.
I remember that well and I missed the original incident so I assumed it was a typical Deegan fupp-up. The replay showed otherwise.There were a number of incidents that they called wrong. The worst was the Donaghy free late in the second half that was awarded on the 21yd line, but the play didn't stop till the ball was at the touchline.
Yup.The free was given because Donaghy was being held from running, yet Bill and Ben thought it was for a tackle on the touchline. This was replicated throughout the game, and it does cloud things insufferably when that happens.
That's always an excuse for the taller man. And again not complaining to you. But the taller fella is always going to be that height and the likes of say Donaghy has to learn how to control his height and play fair and safely and not complain that the guy he was tackling is too small.The Sheehan incident you refer to was the right call (assuming it was the "head"-high challenge) as the Cork guy was so much smaller than Sheehan and was dipping down anyway as the tackle was being made. But it was a close call.
I know it's a different sport completely and I would love some of the rules transferred to hurling, but in ice hockey, the high-sticking infraction incurs a penalty regardless of intent. The player is always in control of his own stick and should be aware of potential injuries. Likewise in hurling with a camán, multiple incidents yesterday that were "accidental" and allowed go. Too dangerous.
In a football context the taller man should be able to control his body to not allow head-high tackles or engagement regardless of the size of teh opponent.
Admittedly, it could be considered harsh in the Sheehan incident. But for me that was a dangerous play, regardless of intent.
I have a vague recollection of some incident... remind me. AgainI was too hepped up to give ye any credit.Alan O'Connor should have seen the line before half-time, that cannot be denied I feel.
Would be nice if MDMA was back on song for next weeks ding-dong.It wouldn't. It really wouldn't. Sheehan's influence was off the ground. Anthony Maher was the player who lorded midfield, as the work he gets done is incredible. He isn't as explosive as MDMA, and I think that's one of the reasons he is so underrated. He is Seamus Scanlon (another gem that wasn't appreciated) but with better foot-passing.
It was poor. But Cork had him covered in both games. He's completely ineffectual without ball. I would be dropping him against Kildare.Donaghy is going to be a problem. The ball going in to him was poor, and you could make allowances for the conditions, but I think that just masks things.
You would think but is he fit?Paul Geaney is the go-to-man in the Kerry full-forward line, and I reckon we're going to see Tommy Walsh in Croke Park, in the stead of Donaghy.
Again, intent is hard to confirm and in fairness there was no protest, but my God I hate that sh!t.Yep, but I also saw him get stamped on, so c'est la vie. And I'd say that for any other footballer.
I think so. The comments louding his play afterwards were nothing short of ridiculous.Gooch looks like a guy who doesn't fully trust his knees. I wonder will it be the end of him.....
If I saw it I would have. You know that given my abhorrence for him. Total ******!I'm surprised you didn't mention Donaghy grabbing one of the O'Driscolls by the throat repeatedly for the guts of a minute front and centre on camera.
I still don't understand that decision. Geaney or Sheehan for me.James O'D was nowhere near MOTM on Sat, but his movement, and distribution particularily in the second half were very good. He frees up the space that Walsh and Geaney can exploit.
We shall see.I can tell you now what's going to happen. Kerry are going to put Shane Enright on Conor McManus.
I wouldn't say beyond crap. He was marshalled well after 20 and all around him the red-shirts were lost.Alan O'Connor was beyond crap on Saturday, and his number was up from about the 20 minute mark.
Missed it.He tried to crucify O'Mahony in the face with a shoulder, O'Mahony swerved and O'Connor ended up on his keester. From that moment on he was a busted flush bar a spurt before half-time. And as I said earlier he should have seen the line for a second yellow.)
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I agree with that. There was another gear in Monaghan and I think of Donegal had gotten some of those wides we would have seen the Farney step it up a notch.Monaghan just about scraped over the line. Donegal's ineffectual shooting at the start of teh second half probably cost them the game but I think Monaghan could have stepped it up a notch.
I was at the qualifier in 2008. Living off the Clonliffe Road makes it handy alright to do it. good times. I mostly went in to finally get to see the ancestral seat against Kildare beforehand. Shocking game.I think that is inaccurate. Monaghan gave Kerry some really tough games in Croker in 08/09 and that was a tough team.
I remember a few incidents in the Monagahn-Kerry match that irked me. Mostly Donaghy. But his goal stood out as a shocker. I was iin line withy the square and he just camped in there all day. Leading eventually to a goal that should not have been allowed. But I was thinking... who was reffing that day...
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football...erry_monaghan/
Perhaps.Unless you mean resolve?
I dunno. Looked like they were easing up to me.And again I think they'll be concerned by how much they flagged towards the end of the match yesterday.
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