Transfer Rumours 2015

**Charlie Darwin** · 03/12/2014, 1:39 AM

Ah would you go away, 400 euro a wage isn't far above minimum wage. There may be 6 or 7 clubs where the players are "full time" in terms of it being their sole income (for 40 weeks) and they train during the day, but that's not full time in football terms. When you don't have a dedicated workplace, where you train one place and then the club has a deal with a private gym for physical work, where you might have a part-time fitness coach and meals but otherwise you're left to your own devices, it's not full time in any meaningful football sense. The clubs are going the right way, but they have a long way to go.

**GypsyBlackCat** · 03/12/2014, 7:55 AM

Originally Posted by ger121

Rumour mill on social media doing the rounds that Towell gone to Blackpool. Was on local radio up in Dundalk, supposedly

No man, someone bought a towel in Blackpool!

**Ezeikial** · 03/12/2014, 8:08 AM

Originally Posted by wonder88

at least 7 clubs were full-time last season. That is; the players trained during the day and were paid a wage equal too, or greater than the average earnings in the country.

That is an interesting interpretation - according to CSO figures the average industrial earning is about €35,000

Do you think there are many LoI players getting €900 a week on 40 week contracts?

Originally Posted by wonder88

. I remember Stewi Byrne saying on soccer republic that there is no excuse for a young lad getting 400 euro a week for not being in a proper physical condition and have the basic skill levels of a professional soccer player.

€400 over 40 weeks is €16,000

A minimum wage worker clocking 36 hours a week would exceed that amount over a full year

**GypsyBlackCat** · 03/12/2014, 8:18 AM

Lorcan Fitzgerald (Pat's)
Marc Griffin (Dundalk)
Dean Kelly (Shams)
Robbie Creevy (UCD)

Robbie Duggan from Peterborough United will join on loan in January.

Rumours that Evan McMillan and Marc Quigley signing for Bohs.

**sulywaterfordfc** · 03/12/2014, 8:21 AM

Originally Posted by PartySaint

Pats train full time.

I thought I read a couple of year ago, Pats went to part time due to not be able to sustain the finances to be playing full time ?

**Titan** · 03/12/2014, 9:09 AM

Well for me full time means 52 weeks paid employment. If you're not on a 52 week contract then I don't think its full time.

**Jofspring** · 03/12/2014, 9:10 AM

Think it was said at the start of last season that Pats would be going full time with every player.

For Limerick we aren't considered full time but a lot of the players would have been. Folan, Leahy, Lynch, Duggan, Djillali, O'Connor, Oji, Nzuzi, Williams, Ageymang, Abass off the top of my head had no other jobs or college and only played matches, trained and had Gym sessions.

**nigel-harps1954** · 03/12/2014, 9:39 AM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

That is an interesting interpretation - according to CSO figures the average industrial earning is about �35,000

Do you think there are many LoI players getting �900 a week on 40 week contracts?

�400 over 40 weeks is �16,000

A minimum wage worker clocking 36 hours a week would exceed that amount over a full year

Since when does �35,000 a year equate to �900 a week? It'd end up at �27,000 over a 40 week season, around 675 a week.

Even then, if you ask me, that's grossly over-estimated figures. I know very few people earning that sort of a wage up around here.

�400 a week is more than comfortable to live on anywhere outside of Dublin.

I'd chew your hand off for �400 a week at present.

Besides, minimum wage must be a lot larger in Dundalk than it is everywhere else if you think they're taking home more than 400 a week.

**Dodge** · 03/12/2014, 9:51 AM

Originally Posted by sulywaterfordfc

I thought I read a couple of year ago, Pats went to part time due to not be able to sustain the finances to be playing full time ?

They went part time in 2009.

Last year wasn't really full time either. They trained during the day but it wasn't every day. Some of them worked side jobs but not many.

Most of the top 6 from last year are the same

**Ezeikial** · 03/12/2014, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Since when does �35,000 a year equate to �900 a week? It'd end up at �27,000 over a 40 week season, around 675 a week.

Even then, if you ask me, that's grossly over-estimated figures. I know very few people earning that sort of a wage up around here.

�400 a week is more than comfortable to live on anywhere outside of Dublin.

I'd chew your hand off for �400 a week at present.

Besides, minimum wage must be a lot larger in Dundalk than it is everywhere else if you think they're taking home more than 400 a week.

Are you always so edgy?

�35,000 / 40 weeks = �875

Minimum wage is based on the National Minimum Wage Act of 2000 and for experienced adults is �8.65 gross per hour

Based on 36 hours per week, this equates to �311.40 per week or just over �16,000 per annum

**GypsyBlackCat** · 03/12/2014, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Titan

Well for me full time means 52 weeks paid employment. If you're not on a 52 week contract then I don't think its full time.

Unless it's been worked on some scheme? Their wages might been split. Your weekly wage is say €700 a week with say 15% being taken off each week for 'savings' from the club so to speak during the off-season and reduce wage i.e 50%. So off-season a player could earn €350+€105=€455 before tax. He'd be making €595 before tax during the season. So he'd be down €140 instead of €350.

I'm not saying this is fact or that any clubs are or should do it. It's just one way I've been looking at it.

**Titan** · 03/12/2014, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by GypsyBlackCat

Unless it's been worked on some scheme? Their wages might been split. Your weekly wage is say €700 a week with say 15% being taken off each week for 'savings' from the club so to speak during the off-season and reduce wage i.e 50%. So off-season a player could earn €350+€105=€455 before tax. He'd be making €595 before tax during the season. So he'd be down €140 instead of €350.

I'm not saying this is fact or that any clubs are or should do it. It's just one way I've been looking at it.

Yeah you see that makes sense and would be a mature approach.

You see the problem??😜

**oriel** · 03/12/2014, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dodge

They went part time in 2009.

Last year wasn't really full time either. They trained during the day but it wasn't every day. Some of them worked side jobs but not many.

Most of the top 6 from last year are the same

I think this would pretty much sum up where we were at last season. Not many of the first xi had jobs, and training didn't take place every day but it was 4 or 5 times a week I think. Also I remember reading notes from SK in a match programme and he said something like 'although we are not strictly full time, dont call us part time' So seems to be a mix of both.

**nigel-harps1954** · 03/12/2014, 2:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

Are you always so edgy?

€35,000 / 40 weeks = €875

Minimum wage is based on the National Minimum Wage Act of 2000 and for experienced adults is €8.65 gross per hour

Based on 36 hours per week, this equates to €311.40 per week or just over €16,000 per annum

Some people call me The Edge. For some sort of copyright reasons beyond me, I'm unable to use this pseudonym however.

I'm basing your 35,000 average wage figure over 52 weeks, which would be an industry standard year. Over the course of a league of Ireland season, they'd not be getting that, as over 40 weeks it would work out around 27,000.

You're right on 311.40 per week too. Not the 400 you stated previously being less than minimum wage worker doing 36 hours a week. That 90 quid could make a huge difference to some families, and is almost 5 grand a year of difference.

My point is, 400 a week is a fierce good wage for a lot of people. I'd wager there's a fair amount of full time footballers on such a wage across the water.

I didn't mean to come across so snappy and I do apologise.

**Ezeikial** · 03/12/2014, 2:20 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

I'm basing your 35,000 average wage figure over 52 weeks, which would be an industry standard year.

Why?

When in my original post and again subsequently I have clearly spelled it out

Originally Posted by Ezeikial

That is an interesting interpretation - according to CSO figures the average industrial earning is about �35,000

Do you think there are many LoI players getting �900 a week on 40 week contracts?

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

You're right on 311.40 per week too. Not the 400 you stated previously being less than minimum wage worker doing 36 hours a week.

Please go back and read it again - I cant be arsed to explain it again

**nigel-harps1954** · 03/12/2014, 2:24 PM

Maybe I'm simply not understanding your wording of the whole thing. I'm not arsed arguing over something so small and irrelevant to this thread.

**Charlie Darwin** · 03/12/2014, 3:27 PM

Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954

Maybe I'm simply not understanding your wording of the whole thing. I'm not arsed arguing over something so small and irrelevant to this thread.

The average industrial wage is around an annual €35,000. Football players in Ireland are only contracted for 40 weeks, so to earn the average industrial wage they'd need to be paid almost €900 per week, since most footballers can't just walk straight into an equally well-paying job for 12 weeks and then quit again when football starts again.

**paykanti** · 03/12/2014, 4:10 PM

Jake Kelly is a quality signing for Dundalk. The mid-to-lower table sides should just contribute their best players to build four league dream teams to compete in Europe. Wearen should have gone to one of them but I'll let him off if he wants to bum Owen. By my count, only McEleney, Turner and Benson remain from that pool.