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Thread: Republic of Ireland V Turkey, Italy, Costa Rica & Portugal - May/June 2014

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    Ian Rush ruined it for everyone by declaring that playing in Italy was like playing in a different country.

    From a personal perspective I think there is an age at which it's awkward to relocate children. At the same time if you'rre a footballer changing jobs you'll have to relocate almost every time you move. It goes with the territory. By the time a footballer's career is finished - say 35 - it's unlikely the kids will be older than 11 so the player can settle when his oldest kid is starting secondary school, so the kids will have all the stability they can expect. Of course the player may then become a coach so it starts all over again.

    Anyway, if you're in Dundee you might as well move to Palermo as Peterborough.

    I see Andy Keogh is on his way to WA to play for Perth Glory. Good luck to him. Perth or Bermondsey. No brainier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks View Post
    Sexist? You can't be serious? How was anything I said remotely sexist? I didn't make any judgments.

    It is a fact that most footballers wives do not work apart from the rare exception. Therefore, it should be the footballer's decision as to where he goes to make his living.

    Too many of our footballers are leaving those choices to their girlfriend/wife's discretion and it impacts on on our national team, because they'll end up twiddling their thumbs in the SPL, Championship or League One when they could be testing themselves in a foreign country with a new culture and more technical level of football.

    Use Gavin Gunning as an example. He's linked with Palermo. He says he's going to consult with his family before he makes a decision as to where he continues his career. He'll probably end up going to Rangers or Sheffield Wednesday at a push because his wife doesn't want to move to another country. He won't be an option if he's playing in the Scottish second division.

    Look at how playing abroad has benefited Cillian Sheridan, Darren O'Dea and Kyle Lafferty. Champions League, Europa League and Serie A promotion respectively. Even Stephen Hunt retrospectively said that he regrets not moving to Valenciennes.

    It's their loss and ours too. I just find it amazing that, as a country, we have disproportionately high emigration rates in proportion to comfort of living. You have Irish lads on every corner of every continent yet these pampered footballers (and wives) can't abide the thought of living in a country where people speak a different language for 2.. 3 years.
    It's funny how what you originally said wasn't inherently sexist but in denying it you've made it clear it was. There is absolutely nothing to suggest Irish players are staying in Britain because of their wives or girlfriends apart from your own baseless speculation. O'Dea is evidence to the contrary, in fact, and I haven't seen any player suggest he turned down a move abroad because his wife didn't want to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    It's funny how what you originally said wasn't inherently sexist but in denying it you've made it clear it was. There is absolutely nothing to suggest Irish players are staying in Britain because of their wives or girlfriends apart from your own baseless speculation. O'Dea is evidence to the contrary, in fact, and I haven't seen any player suggest he turned down a move abroad because his wife didn't want to leave.
    Well with they money they can get these days it is more likely the wife would leave him if he didn't go!

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    Robbie's woman knows her place or maybe she can tell the difference between Birmingham and LA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOneWhoKnocks View Post
    Sexist? You can't be serious? How was anything I said remotely sexist? I didn't make any judgments.

    It is a fact that most footballers wives do not work apart from the rare exception. Therefore, it should be the footballer's decision as to where he goes to make his living.

    Too many of our footballers are leaving those choices to their girlfriend/wife's discretion and it impacts on on our national team, because they'll end up twiddling their thumbs in the SPL, Championship or League One when they could be testing themselves in a foreign country with a new culture and more technical level of football.

    Use Gavin Gunning as an example. He's linked with Palermo. He says he's going to consult with his family before he makes a decision as to where he continues his career. He'll probably end up going to Rangers or Sheffield Wednesday at a push because his wife doesn't want to move to another country. He won't be an option if he's playing in the Scottish second division.

    Look at how playing abroad has benefited Cillian Sheridan, Darren O'Dea and Kyle Lafferty. Champions League, Europa League and Serie A promotion respectively. Even Stephen Hunt retrospectively said that he regrets not moving to Valenciennes.

    It's their loss and ours too. I just find it amazing that, as a country, we have disproportionately high emigration rates in proportion to comfort of living. You have Irish lads on every corner of every continent yet these pampered footballers (and wives) can't abide the thought of living in a country where people speak a different language for 2.. 3 years.
    Yes, it's all the fault of those lazy gold-diggers... Whether it's to appear opinionated or assertive or whatever, you have a habit of jumping to brash conclusions or the most extreme position possible based on little more than your own preconceptions and made a sweeping remark that I sensed betrayed an element of casual sexism. Sure enough, my senses hadn't deceived me. If it requires pointing out, didn't you judge the wives of players to be primarily (singly?) at fault for what you perceive to be a failing of Irish footballers? You also appear to have some interesting views on a "woman's place" to boot; not only are these selfish gold-diggers holding back their husband's careers by speaking above their station, in doing so, they're also depriving us fans of the entertainment we're due!...

    Why don't you hold Irish footballers accountable for their own decisions? Who's holding back single Irish footballers? And what gives you the impression most footballers' wives don't work? Even if some don't, you think that should deny them a voice? It's only natural a player would consult his wife on a decision that would affect them jointly. That doesn't abrogate him of personal responsibility, nor does it mean you can lump blame upon his wife when a private decision is made between two sentient beings that isn't to your personal liking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geysir View Post
    Robbie's woman knows her place or maybe she can tell the difference between Birmingham and LA.
    Yes Alabama kind of looks like CA in places but she can tell the diff.

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    All goals, yellow and red cards tweeted in real time on mastodon, BlueSky and facebook

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    Glenn Whelan should be tailor-made to man mark Immobile.

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    It's funny how things pan out. Two years ago, Noel King's U21s went to Italy where, playing most of the game with their first choice centre-half red carded, they won 4-2 to an Italy side featuring Immobile and El-Shaarawy up front. El-Shaarawy has been a mainstray at Milan for a couple of years and would be going to the World Cup were it not for injuries, while Immobile has just replaced Lewandowski at Dortmund. Conor Henderson scored two in that match (as far as I recall) and has just been released by Hull.

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    That was a dead rubber game for Italy who were perhaps taken aback that Ireland didn't grab the offered traditional draw.

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    Dead rubber or not, they played a full team. I don't buy the idea that international teams show up and play at half speed.

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    Even so, they still walked the group and went on to contest the final of the tournament. It seems perfectly logical that their players would be doing better than ours now, one seemingly freakish result aside.

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    Well yeah you'd expect them to do well, it's just interesting to see where the respective squads have gone. A good few of them have played for Italy whereas none of ours have played senior international footballer even though the step up is much less steep.

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    The traditional sides seem to be able to nurture the talent much better alright.

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    I don't think it's even that, I think most sides are pretty good at it. To be fair, from that team, Duffy, Hendrick, Cunningham and Brady were all missing through injury and suspension having played in the previous game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin View Post
    Dead rubber or not, they played a full team. I don't buy the idea that international teams show up and play at half speed.
    Heh, you clearly haven't been to a few Ireland games over the years, especially certain home friendlies...

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    These quotes from Doyle seem to support my long-held suspicion, from looking at their body language when playing together, that Doyle's relationship with Robbie Keane is a working relationship but not much more.

    http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/inter...obbies-record/

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    What quotes support that?

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    I thought it was very begrudging praise. The kind TOWK gives him!

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    It's certainly a TOWK-like interpretation of what he said

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